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Daniel James Sanchez Posted: Thu, Jun 10 2010 5:31 PM
JACKSON LA ROSE: "How would everyone feel about a philiosophy section? I ended up taking a break on these fora because of the assumed philisophical standpoint required to be relevant on the current forum topics turned me into a thread derailer and accused troll, which was never my intention. I feel a dedicated philiosophy section would be a great addition and quite relevant, given the large divergence of member's opinions concerning philosophical matters, such as the basis of ethics, objectivist vs. relativist, etc. I was on a pretty decent philosophy forum, and the whole thing was just assimilated into ask2know, a general forum with pretty terrible formatting. There are a lot of dissatisfied members of the former philosophy forums looking for a good home, and this is without a doubt the finest forum I've ever come across on the web. Possible first time exposure to Austrian Principles is worth it alone, IMHO. So whaddya say?"
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I 2nd. 

Start one indeed. We would do well to have more people arguing out the various philosophical aspects of Austrian Economics and further. And perhaps help those of us who are nubs when it comes to philosophy. Like moi. 

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chloe732 replied on Thu, Jun 10 2010 10:46 PM

I agree.  I know that that there can be practical problems with creating too many different forums.  But, a "Philosophy and Ethics" forum would allow those discussions to stay there, and concentrate there.  Members who are unfamiliar with these ideas can read through the threads to learn.  Members who have a keen interest can focus their thoughts in one place. 

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William replied on Fri, Jun 11 2010 1:01 AM

It may lead to overall more productive threads.  I could see the phrase "take it up on the philosophy forum" being used often.

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As an aside, I though that solid choke had a pretty awesome idea to split the forums into the following groups: Economics Politics Philosophy with a "miscellaneous" section added for the odds and ends.
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Bert replied on Fri, Jun 11 2010 11:02 AM
I think breaking the forum into sections would be excellent (without turning into vBulletin). You could organize it so when you go to the forums section you would see Economics, Politics, Philosophy, Miscellaneous, About, and Administrative. The bottom of the page on browse discussions would just have Politics and Philosophy added to the list (or organized differently). When you go to the forums page under Economics, Politics, Philosophy, and Miscellaneous you would see the past five recent post for each (or whatever number you think is best). This would better group the economics questions from the philosophy questions instead of having them all mashed together on a page filled with different types of post.
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Oh, yes. This is definitely a good idea.
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There are some fantastic ideas in here. And they will be considered carefully as we eventually (hopefully soon) migrate to a new software platform. (That's all I can say about that right now. :p)
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Sweet, thanks Grayson!
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Bert replied on Sun, Jun 13 2010 5:29 PM
I must take back what I said about the "Browse Discussions" section at the bottom, it would be eliminated since it would serve no purpose since the sections would already have been broken up. What I have below is a rough idea (without putting any effort into formatting). Economics and it's sub-sections would all be links, and obviously clicking Economics brings you to all economics post (view all), and clicking Questions brings you to all questions. Past 5 post would show the most recent regardless of sub-section.

Economics
-Theory
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-Current Economics
-Questions
*Recent Post
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Miscellaneous
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chloe732 replied on Sun, Jun 13 2010 10:51 PM

How would you differentiate between Economic Theory and Economic Questions?

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Bert replied on Mon, Jun 14 2010 11:01 PM
chloe732:

How would you differentiate between Economic Theory and Economic Questions?

When the poster sets it as a question. Sounds vague, but something that's more of a discussion compared to someone looking for an exact answer on a topic.
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Bert replied on Mon, Jun 28 2010 1:31 PM
Also, if when the forum is to changed and updated, add a "Religion" section. There's probably no need for sub-sets on this.
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Do we really need a religion section? Its not exactly a building block for austrian economics. Where its relevant, it can be discussed with the economic, political, or philosophy sections. 

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A religion section sounds like a bad idea to me too. Just put it under philosophy. I'd say merge politics and current events, then have one dedicated to law/libertarian theory. If you are going to keep a newbies section keep newbie/repeated topics out of all the other forums IMO.

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Bert replied on Mon, Jun 28 2010 9:06 PM
I also thought of having it under the philosophy section, given that if people want an actual intelligent discussion on religion they would have to also discuss (or attack depending on who it is) the philosophical foundations of various religions. Do we need it? Probably. It will also confine all the misinformed atheist (or anyone else) attacks on religion to one section
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William replied on Mon, Jun 28 2010 10:39 PM

Bert:
given that if people want an actual intelligent discussion on religion

Can you cite 3 intelligent religous conversations on this site?  They usually break down into heated "pop" meta arguments.  To be honest, I think It is too tertiary and passionate a subject to expect much else from this website.  I unfortunatly just don't think the Mises.org is meant to handle religion.

 

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Bert replied on Tue, Jun 29 2010 12:49 AM
Dondoolee:

Can you cite 3 intelligent religious conversations on this site?



No, it generally breaks down into "Lets rid ourselves of this irrational thing called religion, who wants to join!?" and "Religion is as bogus as Keynesian economics, its mumbo-jumbo".
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Not to pile on, but I have never seen a religious debate with so many atheists around go well. You have the religious atheists and the religious creationists (fanatics of both stripes) smashing each other over the head, on topics that neither party can prove one way or the other. I think it tends to incubate a lot of ill will.
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