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An interesting pro-IP argument

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Eugene Posted: Thu, Feb 2 2012 12:14 PM

Something I thought of. Let's say someone hacks into your internet roleplaying game profile and steals your money. Is he liable for theft? The usual anti-IP argument is that ideas are not scarce. But money in your online profile is scarce!

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Hacking is a form of aggression.  You are sending electronic signals into a physical computer/hard-drive somewhere without the consent of the owner of that system.  Furthermore, the whole basis for the argument against IP is that copying isn't theft.  What you're talking about isn't copying, but draining the account and essentially vandalizing the data.

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The title of this thread may very well be an oxymoron.

 

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thats a good point and a nice example to challenge us!

If the money is purchased with real money, then it is functioning as money first and foremost.  Also, as somone said...they aren't copying the data.  So, to me it is theft of money.

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tunk replied on Thu, Feb 2 2012 1:23 PM

If I'm not wrong, the basic argument against IP is that it doesn't so much protect your property rights as it does restrict what other people can do with their property. It's part of the general libertarian case against positive obligations that are not incurred by voluntary contract but are coercively imposed.

Here, it's different because positive obligations have been incurred by contract. Presumably, the thief agreed when he signed up for the game that he wouldn't do anything illicit like this. So he's liable to be punished in whatever way the contract stipulates.

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Eugene:

Something I thought of. Let's say someone hacks into your internet roleplaying game profile and steals your money. Is he liable for theft? The usual anti-IP argument is that ideas are not scarce. But money in your online profile is scarce!

 

What does your scenario have to do with IP? It seems as if you are asking, "if I steal a (physically) book, then isn't that stealing IP?

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!"
Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."

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MaikU replied on Thu, Feb 2 2012 4:26 PM

Hacking is a crime. /thread

"Dude... Roderick Long is the most anarchisty anarchist that has ever anarchisted!" - Evilsceptic

(english is not my native language, sorry for grammar.)

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^^^ This. (Although, what you meant to say was "cracking".)

 

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
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Eugene replied on Fri, Feb 3 2012 12:20 AM

Anyone here thinks hacking is not a crime?

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_hacking_and_cracking

 

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
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Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."

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