Japan gun control: why does it work??

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liberty student replied on Sat, Oct 2 2010 9:43 PM

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Craig:

Am I annoyed at this response? Damn straight! I go after Clayton for doing nothing other than revealing his own biases in answer to a question raised by someone else, and Mr Moderator decides to step in with, apparently, the only argument they've got, and that's the 'content' of their contribution to this list.

Actually, you were the one who brought up the content of the list, not me.

Craig:

Maybe Mr Moderator might consider looking at the nature of the argument I raised

I did look at the nature of your argument.  It was terribly sloppy to tell Clayton his argument wasn't welcome here, when you have no such authority or credibility to make such a claim.

Craig:

Mr Moderator

If only you truly were the victim of a power mad moderator exercising his authority recklessly.  Then you wouldn't come off as someone rolling on the floor feigning an injury for an attack which never happened.

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Gipper replied on Sat, Oct 2 2010 10:34 PM

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Chicago was the only city in the US with an all out ban on firearms......

.....They had the highest crime rate in the US with....

Wait for it....

Firearms. The even called in the National Guard.

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Clayton replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 1:13 AM

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"I'd be interested to know why you think that. I quoted Hoppe giving reasons why the State imposes "peace", perhaps you can respond with reasons why my quote of Hoppe is irrelevant."

Once again, becoz it didn't answer the question. I would've thought that was obvious, but obviously not. Instead of answering the question about gun control in Japan, and why it works there as opposed to elsewhere, and that WAS the question in essence, you've simply answered the question about your own personal biases.

Well, the question assumes from facts in evidence a conclusion which is not. The facts in evidence are:

1) Japan has strict gun control
2) Japan has a low violent crime rate

What is not in evidence, but assumed by the OP:

3) Japan's strict gun laws cause Japan to have a low violent crime rate

There is an alternative hypothesis for why Japan has a low violent crime rate and that is that it has a very powerful government. Powerful governments have an interest in maintaining peace between their subjects (and even the health of their subjects) for the express purpose of ensuring that their subjects remain as tax-productive as possible.

If you can show how authentically AnCap you are in the process by quoting Hoppe,

Try reading my bio. I'm no dyed-in-the-wool AnCap... note the flippancy of my avatar.

that somehow justifies you? Sorry, but that doesn't hold water.

I agree, it wouldn't, even if it was true of me. :-P

If you used that answer to that question in an exam, you know what you'd get...duckegg.

I've been graduated from university too long to care how a professor would grade me.

Clayton -

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Bohemian replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 1:28 PM

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I haven't read most of the responses, so forgive me if I repeat someone.

I grew up in Japan. I moved there a week after I turned age nine, and left one week before I turned age 15. I speak the language, and I deeply understand the culture.

Gun crime is not an issue in Japan, because crime is not an issue in Japan. Furthermore, most of the Japanese do no believe that guns are necessary for private citizens to own. Therefore, the law has overwhelming support in their society, which is to say the law is legitimate. Citizens typically obey laws they deem legitimate.

Viola.

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fakename replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 2:52 PM

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If people are so voluntarily good in japan and don't need guns, then what is the point of a law that bans guns? Is it a way to stop hunting or recreational gun use?

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MisguidedThoughts replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 3:05 PM

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fakename:

If people are so voluntarily good in japan and don't need guns, then what is the point of a law that bans guns? Is it a way to stop hunting or recreational gun use?

 

Getting a gun for hunting is actually pretty easy in Japan.

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Caley McKibbin replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 5:48 PM

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If people are so voluntarily good in japan and don't need guns, then what is the point of a law that bans guns?

The same point as most other state controls: none.

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scineram replied on Sun, Oct 3 2010 6:11 PM

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fakename:

If people are so voluntarily good in japan and don't need guns, then what is the point of a law that bans guns? Is it a way to stop hunting or recreational gun use?

 

To make sure the country stays nonviolent in the long run too.