Political Theory

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

cab21 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:20:43 GMT

yes i would be concerned with madoffs victoms.found this wiki on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_of_funds_from_the_Madoff_investment_scandal

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

Prime — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:27:00 GMT

cab21:

how would this be different from a private corporation that stole? would there be noone liable there as well?

Did Bernie Madoff's victims get their money back? Are you as concerned about them?

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

Vanitas Nomen — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:34:18 GMT

so you would say noone is responsible to pay back what the government takes?

The insidious nature of government: there is no one person responsible. Furthermore, who will enforce the payback from the entity that has the only 'legitimate monopoly of force'? And where shall these new monies come from?

how would this be different from a private corporation that stole? would there be noone liable there as well?

When the government steals it is called "good", or "legitimate". When anyone else steals, it is not "good" or "legitimate" - that is a difference. Another difference: Government will not often subject itself to it's own rules(individual members when it's good for government), however it will subject a corporation, one which has special liabilties that which would not exist without the government, to it's rules and make someone, or some persons liable.

government just turns into a fictional entity with no individual entities responsible

That is all it has ever been, however it is toted as the great idea that we can live through each other.

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

HabbaBabba — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:00:51 GMT

Woulda coulda shoulda. Anything the government takes disappears into a black hole. Forget about it and move on. The deal would inevitably be handled by lawyers anyhow, and would eat up around 75-90% of all the monies in question.

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

Anenome — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:29:48 GMT

The fed should sell all of its publicly-owned lands and property, and give the proceeds to the retirees, apportioned as they currently receive funds, to be used to fund retirement accounts which would provide continuing income.

Two bird with one stone.

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

cab21 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:21:28 GMT

so you would say noone is responsible to pay back what the government takes?

how would this be different from a private corporation that stole? would there be noone liable there as well?

government just turns into a fictional entity with no individual entities responsible?

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

Bogart — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:21:51 GMT

They obviously did not read the fine print. This is a tax and there is no obligation for the US Government to pay back any resources nor is there one to provide any care.

As immoral as taxing people using future promises of transferred goodies/booty as incentive is, the stealing the future booty from future taxpayers using inflation is worse and even more destructive to wealth and the structure of production.

You have to accept that anti-Social in-Security and anti-Medicare together make up the single largest loss in capital in human history only surpassed by the two World Wars.

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

cab21 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:05:23 GMT

im refering to a right to the return of their own resources

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

shackleford — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:42:23 GMT

Just because there is a need - that doesn't mean that they have a right to someone else's resources.

Re: Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

Blargg — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:01:22 GMT

They got duped by a gang of cons. It happens.

Reimbursing for social security and Medicare

cab21 — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:48:45 GMT

so say the government ended these two programs, how ought the government to transfer itself out of the programs or reimburse those that the government took money from? with all those 90 year old widows out there on these programs, it does not seem right to just cut them off, at least if people are not privatly willing to donate to take care of them.