Political Theory

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

MaikU — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:54:50 GMT

Doesn't matter, if it is a child or an adult. The point is that the "protector" would have to prove in court, that his actions were justified. Personally I wouldn't feel safe living in a society where anyone could break my doors and take my child if they suspected he/she was "abused", so I'd better trust private organization instead of individual vigilante. So in short, yes, it is acceptable, just like it is acceptable to defend a man being beaten by thugs in dark alley. It's the core of basic property rights and NAP.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

Graham Wright — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:23:01 GMT

TronCat,

You may be interested in this thread: How To Rescue A Child (Without The State)

I'd be wary of Molyneux' definition of "abuse." In his eyes nearly all parents are child abusers.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

JackCuyler — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:21:57 GMT

People are social animals. If a parent was abusing their child then the community could ostracise that parent up to the point of not selling them things like food.

I'm sure that would help the abused children. Adbused and hungry. I'm also sure abusive parents are far less abusive when they are hungry and pissed off at their neighbors.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

TronCat — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:21:18 GMT

I understand that, and I think there is a point to be made there. I was just wondering where he gets the "1%" from. Anyway, is the reason ostracism so disregarded simply because of people placing too much importance on the state's 'duty' of child protective services?

If a parent was abusing their child then the community could ostracise that parent up to the point of not selling them things like food.

And how does that help the child?

The community would be able to handle many situations of criminal behavior through this process and be able to correct peoples behavior.

I'm just interested in specific solutions.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

Bogart — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:01:05 GMT

People are social animals. If a parent was abusing their child then the community could ostracise that parent up to the point of not selling them things like food. The community would be able to handle many situations of criminal behavior through this process and be able to correct peoples behavior.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

TronCat — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:36:01 GMT

LOL, how does he come up with that?

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

Bogart — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:34:12 GMT

Mr. Molyneux also stated that society does not use even 1% of the power of ostracism.

Re: Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

gotlucky — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:32:29 GMT

I summon forth Clayton!

Is force acceptable to 'protect' children from abusive homes?

TronCat — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:31:21 GMT

I remember watching a seminar that Molyneux did (this was a few years back) where he was asked whether or not the use of force is right in this situation (protecting children from abusive homes). He said that it is the only exception we should make.

Agree? Disagree? How could this be handled?