Political Theory

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

yuberries — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:50:21 GMT

Show off austrian economics to the mainstream? For what, be laughed at?

We may show off within ourselves but the battle for truth with socialists is very suffocating still.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

filc — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:23:05 GMT

Rettoper:
However, it appears that certain students of mises.org have used what little they have learned to grandstand and show-off.

Grayson:
There is some truth in this,

I totally disagree to this. I would argue that our community is one of the most docile ones out there. We just have very different views on sensitive matters which likely emotionally concerns people more then what they are used to.

In fact I would argue that many here would not proponents of Market Anarchy were it not for an individual who was docile and humble to begin with, but was stubborn in their previous beliefs. Its doubtful that many of us here had the luxury of being taught economics and markets in their up-bringing. Many of us had to go through the painful process of self-discovery.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

filc — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:07:27 GMT

Question: How many times did Grayson have to amend the original debate question before Rettoper actually started participating in the debate?

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

Vichy Army — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:02:54 GMT

It's fair to call Mises anarchistic, but he was not an anarchist anymore than Jefferson was.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

bsylvester — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:43:12 GMT

History "disproving anarchism" = a stateless society (Ireland) finally being taken over after several hundred years worth of sieges by the most powerful military force in the history of the world

^by this I mean the fact that stateless societies have all ended doesn't prove much.

heck, they survived longer than anyone else attacked by England; I'd chalk that up as one for the, ugh, "anarchists"

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

DanielMuff — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:34:16 GMT

^^^^ Exactly. I can't believe Argentina lost to Germany.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

E. R. Olovetto — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:42:50 GMT

boooo

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

Aquila — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:27:40 GMT

History does not judge or demonstrate, it only records.

Anarcho-capitalism is not present in recorded history, hence as far as history is concerned – it has never existed.

End of story.

Argumentum ad antiquitatem

However, it appears that certain students of mises.org have used what little they have learned to grandstand and show-off. For example, more than a few have ventured onto other websites and adopted an adversarial “look at how smart I am” attitude at the expense of cultivating and educating potential converts to an important system of analyzing human actions.

In summary, these self-serving exercises in ego gratification are counter-productive and reminiscent of an adolescent who comes into possession of a new small caliber rifle without the requisite maturity and knowledge on how to use it beneficially and responsibly.

Projection?

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

Jackson — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:25:24 GMT

ancaps will be able to hold their own easily.

they will either corner the global energy market or they will just unleash the probe teams and subvert nations' economies, populaces, and armies.

this debate was solved years ago.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

liberty student — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:34:23 GMT

G8R HED:
White port and gorgonzola?

As much as I try to be a bon vivant, I find myself much more attracted to creation than consumption.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

z1235 — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:36:25 GMT

I, for one, am enjoying the debate and am thankful to Grayson for implementing this format. Also, I think that "trolling" accusations are arbitrarily being thrown in so many directions that they may qualify as "trolling" themselves. Just IMO.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

G8R HED — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:03:32 GMT

Skyler Collins:
Maybe I missed something, but when did Grayson argue that a "society of cannibal lesbian amazons" was a pipe dream?

Yeah, and why would he do that? What have I got left to live for?

White port and gorgonzola?

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

Caley McKibbin — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:54:59 GMT

Question for everyone on this thread: Why do you think Rettoper is so entrenched on this topic? Why is it so important for him to prove he is right? Why is he expending so much energy on it? Does he have something to protect? He has no interest in learning about an-Cap, he only wants to refute it.

Anything is possible when you have too much free time and too few hobbies.

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

liberty student — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:01:38 GMT

Skyler Collins:
Maybe I missed something, but when did Grayson argue that a "society of cannibal lesbian amazons" was a pipe dream?

Yeah, and why would he do that? What have I got left to live for?

Re: Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

E. R. Olovetto — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:45:09 GMT

That is false. Molinari, Tucker, Spooner all developed anarchism before the 20th century. All were pro-market, anti-socialist by Mises' definition.

Mises wasn't talking about their theory however. If you take one sentence out of context like your fellow anti-libertarian did, you could try to lead people to believe your nonsense though. Checkmate!