History

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:18:41 GMT

Not only the power to tax and/or bail-out, but the power to regulate, subsidize, price-fix, license, etc. There is no shortage of options available to the cartelist.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

shackleford — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:17:02 GMT

Jargon:

Yes I would be much less concerned if there were variety and I'd also be less concerned if there weren't a direct conflict of interest, as there is in the corporate/government turnstile.

That's simply a product of the tax code being manipulated and the corporate welfare from Congress. What a mess the system has become.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:15:16 GMT

Yes I would be much less concerned if there were variety and I'd also be less concerned if there weren't a direct conflict of interest, as there is in the corporate/government turnstile.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

shackleford — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:09:46 GMT

Jargon:

Now, when it's the same few companies, then that reeks of cronyism/corporatism.

Did you not read the list?

Of course, I did. I understand that there's been a lot of that in the U.S., especially since the early 1900s. I'm just wondering if you guys would be less concerned if there were variety in where those people came from.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:07:07 GMT

Now, when it's the same few companies, then that reeks of cronyism/corporatism.

Did you not read the list?

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

shackleford — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:57:29 GMT

Of course, I do. Do you expect the local high school P.E. teacher to be appointed to those positions? I would expect people in powerful positions in industry to be appointed to such posts. Now, when it's the same few companies, then that reeks of cronyism/corporatism. However, in general, I would expect to see people from industry in the cabinet. I'd rather see them than academics.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:20:44 GMT

Do you have a point?

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

shackleford — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:23:58 GMT

Who else do you guys expect to fill those positions?

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:32:36 GMT

it's by no means a comprehensive list. just what I could find on wikipedia, I'm sure there's more.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Minarchist — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:56:45 GMT

Thanks Jargon, this is helpful.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Wheylous — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:55:03 GMT

Got some dirt on Bush 2 and Bush 3 (Obama)?

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Jargon — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:54:57 GMT

Here's some more. It's less corporatist and more globalist, but such is the way of the last 60 years.

President Truman

S State - Edward Stettinius, Partner in J.P. Morgan

S State - Dean Acheson, member of "The Wise Men" affiliated with John McCloy and Averell Harriman

S State - James Byrnes, Protege of Bernard Baruch

S War - Henry Stimson, Protege of Elihu Root, J.P. Morgan lawyer, cousins partners in Bonbright

S War - Robert Patterson, CFR

S Defense - Robert Lovett, Brown Bros Harriman, Skull and Bones, The Wise Men

S Defense - James Forrestal, Dillon Read & Co. (rockefeller)

Office of Defense Mobilization - "Electric" Charlie E. Wilson, GE

S Commerce - Averell Harriman, skull and bones, Guaranty Trust Co, Brown Bros Harriman, Friend of Hall Roosevelt

President Eisenhower

S State - John Dulles, Sullivan & Cromwell (Morgan Law)

S State - Christian Herter, married into Pratt Family of Standard Oil, CFR

S Defense - Charlie E Wilson (Engine Charlie), General Motors

AtGen - Herbert Brownell, worked for Lord Day & Lord who practiced law for Chemical Bank (rockefeller)

S Commerce - Lewis Strauss, partner in Kuhn Loeb (Warburg), advisor to Rockefeller Bros

Dir CIA - Allen Dulles

President Kennedy

NatSec Advisor - McGeorge Bundy, Ford Motors, SKull and Bones, CFR

S Treasury - C Douglas Dillon, Dillon Read & Co., CFR, Rockefeller Foundation

S Defense - Robert McNamara, World Bank, protege of Robert Lovett, Ford Motors, Brookings Institution, CalTech

S State - Dean Rusk, Rockefeller Foundation

CIA - John McCone, Bechtel, Consolidated Steel

President Johnson - heavily financed by KBR

NatSec Advisor - McGeorge Bundy, Ford motors, Skull and Bones, CFR

S Treasury - C Douglas Dillon, Dillon Read & Co., CFR, Rockefeller Foundation

S Defense - Robert McNamara, World Bank, protege of Robert Lovett, Ford Motors, Brookings Institution, CalTech

S State - Dean Rusk, Rockefeller Foundation

S Treasury - Henry Fowler, Brookings Institution, Goldman Sachs

UnderS of State for Political Affairs - Eugene Rostow, Cravath Swaine & Moore (DuPont, Morgan Stan, Time Warner)

CIA - John McCone, Bechtel, Consolidated Steel

President Nixon

S State - Henry Kissinger, CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Rand Corporation

S Treasury - David Kennedy, Brookings Institution

S Treasury - William Simon, Haliburton, Citibank

S HEW - Caspar Weinberger, Bechtel

S Treasury - George P Shultz, Bechtel

President Ford

NatSec Advisor - Brent Scowcroft, Trilateral Commission, CFR, CSIS

VP - Nelson Rockefeller

S State - Henry Kissinger, CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Rand Corporation

S HEW - Caspar Weinberger, Bechtel

S Treasury - William Simon, Citibank, KBR, CSIS with Kissinger

S Defense - James Schlesinger, Rand Corporation

S Defense - Donald Rumsfeld, G.D. Searle & Co (pharm), Rand Corporation, Bechtel, Bilderberg, A.G. Becker (wall street)

CIA - Brent Scowcroft, Trilateral, CFR, CSIS, Bilderberg

President Carter

NatSec Advisor - Zbigniew Brzezinski, Trilateral Commission, CSIS, Bilderberg, CFR

S State - Cyrus Vance, Trilateral Commission

S Treasury - George W Miller, Federal Reserve, Club of Rome, Cravath Swaine & Moore Law firm, Textron

S Defense - Harold Brown, IAGS, CITech, Altria

AtGen - Griffin Bell, King & Spalding Law (coke, GM, Chevron)

S Commerce - Juanita Kreps, CFR, Citicorp, AT&T

S Agriculture - Charles Duncan, Coca-Cola, JP Morgan, AmEx

S Education - Shirley Hufstedter, CFR, Aspen Institute, Morrison and Foerster

President Reagan

S Defense - Caspar Weinberger, Bechtel

S State - George P Shultz, Bechtel

S Treasury - Donald Regan, Merrill Lynch

S Defense - Frank Carlucci, PNAC, RAND

CIA - William Webster, Milbank Tweed Hadley & McCloy

S Commerce - William Verity, Armco Steel

NatSec Advisor - Colin Powell, CFR, Bilderberg

President GWH Bush, CIA Dir, Skull and Bones, Brown Bros Harriman, Dir CFR,

NatSec Advisor - Brent Scowcroft, Trilateral, CFR, CSIS, Bilderberg

S Treasury - Nicholas Brady, Dillon Read & Co., CFR, Rockefeller Foundation

S Defense - Dick Cheney, CFR, Bilderberg, Haliburton, PNAC

S Agriculture- Clayton Yeutter, ConAgra, Caterpillar, Weyerhauser

S Commerce - Robert Mosbacher, CSIS, Aspen, New York Life Insurance

S Transportation - Andrew Card, General Motors, Ford Motors, UP Rail, PR Firm

Trade Representative - Carla Hills, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Coke, Chevron, CSIS

President Clinton - Trilateral, CFR, Bilderberg

CIA - George Tent, Allen & Co. Bank,

CIA - John Deutch, Citigroup, Raytheon, SChlumberger, Trilateral Commission

S Treasury - Loyd Bentson, Lockheed Corporation

S Treasury - Robert Rubin, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Dir CFR, IMF, Ford Motors

S State - Warren Christopher, Dir CFR, Trilateral

S State - Madeleine Albright, Dir CFR, Albright Group --> Coke & Merck

UnderSec Defense - John White, RAND corporation

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Wheylous — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:13:34 GMT

Phaedros - you have made my life worthless again. One more Standard Oil source I am compelled to read. Thank you very much.

There are two options right now in my mind:

1) Rockefeller built SO through free market means (despite help from tairffs and patents) but turned evil to make the Fed

2) Rockefeller used the state in both cases

Either way, option 3 is wayyyy off the table:

3) The free market created an evil Standard Oil.

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

John James — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:51:29 GMT

Corporatist Crossovers shown via Venn Diagrams

Re: Made something for anti-corporatists

Phaedros — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:41:23 GMT

Vindicating Capitalism: The Real History of the Standard Oil Company

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2008-summer/standard-oil-company.asp