Economics Questions

Re: Charity Not Enough?

vive la insurrection — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:11:36 GMT

What solution is there to this?

Is it possible that this is a pseudo-question when dealing with any scope a social science can intelligibly discuss?

What you may want to concern yourself with, is at what level and structure could a society even ballpark a figure like this, and get anything close to worth while feedback - even in throwing out words like "charity" (hint: it probably wouldn't have the structure of the EU).

See Ostrom for public choice theory on something like this - it isn't inherently capitalistic, if that's a beef of yours.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

myhumangetsme — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:26:42 GMT

Buzz Killington:
No, his political views are not known.

And yet we have the magic of rejection by all of his close friends and relatives? Sounds like you don't know as much about his story as you think.

Buzz Killington:
...poor people won't have wealthy people to draw on without welfare.

I didn't know the purpose of wealthy people was to be around for poor people to "draw on".

Buzz Killington:
...but there's still the problem of clothes, gas, food, and rent.

Get a job, keep the job, make the most of the job. When I was just out of school I brought home just enough money to have four walls, lights and a cup o' ramen for about a year. But at least I had that much, and it got better.

Buzz Killington:
So they will have to split rent with others their entire lives?

You don't think much of the skill sets of others, do you?

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Neodoxy — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:37:38 GMT

"You have also clearly never shopped at thrift stores or looked for awesome sales anywhere."

I f***ing love Goodwill.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Clayton — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:36:58 GMT

Thanks for the positive feedback, Blargg... it's encouraging. :-)

Clayton -

Re: Charity Not Enough?

gotlucky — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 04:25:21 GMT

Clearly you have no experience looking for apartments or renting houses with friends in their 20's and early 30's. Different cities have different costs of living. You have also clearly never shopped at thrift stores or looked for awesome sales anywhere.

As for people sharing rent their entire lives, maybe you could live with family...it's not like you have to live with strangers your whole life. My god you are sheltered.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Buzz Killington — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:57:48 GMT

Said the bourgeois armchair intellectual.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

gotlucky — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:47:35 GMT

You must live a very sheltered life.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Buzz Killington — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:40:20 GMT

gotlucky:
What of it? Do you know what college students and graduates do for housing? They either live with their parents or share a living space with others. This is because housing can be expensive, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper to split the rent with others than to rent a place all to yourself. You ever hear of carpooling?

So they will have to split rent with others their entire lives? Will this even be enough? Rent apartments are very small.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Malachi — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:20:13 GMT

I call bullshit! I am an American, I deserve 365 outfits a year and my very own living space. thats why we have troops fighting teh enumeez over "c's" anyway, you dont want their sacrifice to be in vain do you?

Re: Charity Not Enough?

gotlucky — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:02:27 GMT

What of it? Do you know what college students and graduates do for housing? They either live with their parents or share a living space with others. This is because housing can be expensive, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper to split the rent with others than to rent a place all to yourself. You ever hear of carpooling?

There are plenty of ways people can cut back on costs, but if you want to rent an apartment all to yourself and have a different outfit for everyday of the year like they do on TV, prepare to go into debt.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Buzz Killington — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:46:47 GMT

gotlucky:
Welfare before the Welfare State

I agree that mutual aid is a good solution to the healthcare problem, but there's still the problem of clothes, gas, food, and rent.

Re: Charity Not Enough?

gotlucky — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:40:52 GMT

Welfare before the Welfare State

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Buzz Killington — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:38:58 GMT

No, his political views are not known.

Clayton:
@Meistro: I think you're assuming that the central problem of charity is stimulating the charitable impulse itself. I don't think that is the biggest problem, either way... the real problem is information-transfer... getting the information about people who have problems to the people who care about those problems and are willing to help. And the modern concept of stranger-charity deeply undermines this process by anonymizing the whole process... both recipients and donors are anonymous in the vast majority of charitable wealth transfer. In reality, every specific case of charity is an act of helping a specific individual. The worthiness of that individual for charitable assistance is best assessed by every individual who chooses to help, however he or she chooses to help. This can be everything from watching someone's children (free childcare) to donating a sum of cash to spending time chatting with them. In the mad rush to blindly apply industrial methods to charity, we have lost sight of the original essence of the thing which is intimate. When you think about it, modern charity has hanging about it the air of forced intimacy.

My point. Since people tend to associate with other people like them, poor people won't have wealthy people to draw on without welfare.

What solution is there to this?

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Wesker1982 — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:09:08 GMT

The Costs of Public Income Redistribution and Private Charity: http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_2/21_2_1.pdf

Re: Charity Not Enough?

Wheylous — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:20:42 GMT

Relevant material:

http://candlemind.com/projects/progclub/file/michael/getEducated.php?listID=24