Economics Questions

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

Jon Irenicus — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:15:36 GMT

The individuals offering the loans.

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

The One Freeman — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:43:18 GMT

I'm a bit confused. How do you mean? What consumers? You mean the people taking out loans to spend?

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

Jon Irenicus — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:17:20 GMT

What do the consumers get out of it in their capacity as owners?

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

cab21 — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:16:21 GMT

the money goes to the owners in either system difference is simply who the owners are.

if people have a voluntary nonprofit bank and make their income elsewhere they could go for cost of operations in prices, but if people have to make a living from working at the credit union costs will be higher.

0 interest and a fee can be a worse deal than interest and a rebate or no fee.

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

The One Freeman — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:05:41 GMT

He believes that the credit union is trying its best to eliminate charging interest, but since it needs to cover its costs it has to charge a little bit, and he's just getting any spillover that they have. The reason that it's still competative though even though its basically accidentally incurred is that it's not a for-profit business and it's not going to the "owners" of the bank, since the customers are now the owners.

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

Jon Irenicus — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:56:32 GMT

He believes that charging interest on loans is theft, except for simple transaction costs

This is quasi-religious nonsense. In the current environment, where banks have been coopted by the state, I don't think credit unions play by the same rules, so they are able to stick to more conservative lending policies.

The obverse of very low interest rates for loans is even lower interest rates for savings. So what's the saver/lender getting out of it?

Re: What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

cab21 — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:47:25 GMT

credit unions have interest rates, so if he thinks that is theft he has a proplem with credit unions

interest is simply payment for oppurtunity costs. people pay it on when receiving a loan and get it when giving a loan or when saving.

how is the credit union work if it pays more or eaqual for savings than it receives for loans? the fees would have to be huge i think

i think what is better depends on each persons personal taste and position.

What are the pros and cons of credit unions?

The One Freeman — Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:24:11 GMT

In a recent debate with a mutualist, we've been discussing credit unions and interest rates as "theft" in general.

He believes that charging interest on loans is theft, except for simple transaction costs. In his mind, credit unions can then push down interst charged on loans dramatically, almost to zero, but would still be able to give competative interest rates to its depositers because it's not for profit.

I was obviously skeptical of someone being able to offer near 0% interest on loans with competative, but he directed me to his credit union's site, https://www.becu.org/, and sure enough they offer their interest rates at a pretty good level.

As their page shows, he obvious exagerated the "near 0%", but it is interesting to see them offer a much higher interest rate to depositors than someone else, say, JPMorgan Chase.

So my question is, are credit unions really better than for-profit investors in every way?