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Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

No2statism — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:23:24 GMT

@ Egon: Yes.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

cab21 — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:18:22 GMT

part of mcdonalds price is tax, not 100%, and yes they profit from the part that is not tax collection,

the theoretical i am talking about is without taxes, any business still charges for service.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

Bill — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:35:52 GMT

Mcdonalds is forced to be a tax collector. They aren't charging you. They are passing the forced extortion on to you. Mcdonalds doesn't profit in this exchange.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

cab21 — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:39:48 GMT

i was not refering to the current usa army, but a way for a army to be raised without forcing someone to give money.

nothing i mentioned forced you to pay money, i was not suggesting everyone be forced to pay service fees, i meant services would be offered that people can choose to pay for.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

shackleford — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:21:23 GMT

cab21:

sure, mcdondalds is charging taxes when they sell a hamburger.

McDonald's forces me to give them my money?

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

cab21 — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:14:00 GMT

sure, mcdondalds is charging taxes when they sell a hamburger.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

shackleford — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:00:41 GMT

cab21:

some methods a army can aquire funds include service fees, bonds, donations, stock, borrowing, mining, directing revenue from other areas of government services. selling weapons and technology.

if if want to go taxes= money control=gun control, sure. then of course any coercive force is property control and guns are property so gun control would be included.

You do realize that service fees, bonds, ~~donations~~, stock, borrowing, mining, directing revenue from other areas of government services, and selling weapons and technology = taxation, right?

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

cab21 — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 04:26:53 GMT

some methods a army can aquire funds include service fees, bonds, donations, stock, borrowing, mining, directing revenue from other areas of government services. selling weapons and technology.

if if want to go taxes= money control=gun control, sure. then of course any coercive force is property control and guns are property so gun control would be included.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

shackleford — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:44:16 GMT

cab21:

i don't think a standing army is gun control. a standing army does not regulation to take away the ability to own arms.

regulation on arms is a form of gun control.

Where does the standing army acquire the funds to purchase guns?

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

cab21 — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:58:47 GMT

i don't think a standing army is gun control. a standing army does not regulation to take away the ability to own arms.

regulation on arms is a form of gun control.

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

Lady Saiga — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:59:55 GMT

I agree with Bogart, but we unfortunately live in a society that submitted to the creation of a Fed. The Bill of Rights is a sort of safety valve designed to ensure that the power doesn't fall too far into the government's hands. So it's an irrational document, but it's the way this society has chosen to preserve some power for the people. It's all we've got...

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

Egon — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:34:13 GMT

No2statism, do you believe that a standing army is a form of gun control?

Re: Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

Bogart — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:20:37 GMT

Yes, because gun control is misnamed. Gun Control is the giving of a monopoly in the possession and use of firearms to government approved institutions while taking away that same ability from the populace of individuals.

Stefan Moleneux talks about gun control in this manner.

My opionion is that the whole debate is wrong on all sides except the private property rights side. Guns and bullets are items of property. People in a free society can trade for property as long as they do not violate the property of others. So any argument about the Second Ammendment or about personal safety or sportsmanship are not getting to the details which is the right of individuals to own property, any property.

Isn't a standing military a form of gun control?

No2statism — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:20:12 GMT

Is it the worst form of gun control?

What are some sources that back the notion up that America suffers from more gun control than any other nation?