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Re: How to maximize damage to states

Anenome — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:47:54 GMT

Friedrich Dominicus:

You have my best wishes, it would be like the "secret" valey in Atlas shrugged. Let us know the coordinates ASAP ;-)

Indeed, it would :) Had Rand known of the concept of seasteading, I daresay she might have used it as the location instead.

When I get it going it will be impossible to hide, and I'll make sure its philosophical basis is front and center.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

acft — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:44:31 GMT

Auto said:

I'd say that the Minerva Project actually did two things wrong. First, they didn't invest in any weaponry. Second, they explicitly notified neighboring states about the new "Republic of Minerva". It was that explicit notification of "independence" that led to a conference among the neighboring states where Tonga ended up making a claim over the Minerva Reefs which was recognized by the other states (surprise, surprise).

It amazes me that the "Minervans" actually expected other states to "play nice". But then, they were really setting up a state of their own. If I had been in charge of the Minerva Project, there would've been significant money invested in weaponry and no notices would've been sent out to any states. Let our presence be discovered after we're well established (and well armed) on the reefs.

100% agreed. Any new nation project I engage in will be armed to the teeth and have defense in mind from day 1. The state is force. Period.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Friedrich Dominicus — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:04:48 GMT

My answer is seasteading. And I plan to foster a libertarian minarch ocean-borne society off the Pacific Coast of the US within the next decade. Would be an autarchic republic, predicated on individualism--not a democracy.

You have my best wishes, it would be like the "secret" valey in Atlas shrugged. Let us know the coordinates ASAP ;-)

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Anenome — Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:33:53 GMT

Friedrich Dominicus:

"Mass foot voting would be the best way to suck the life out of the state,"

Where should we go?

Everywhere you can go ther eis some "state".

In the long-term there's a great deal of unowned property in space. But for now that's hard to reach. Libertarians may have their own planet eventually :P

But if there were an alternative for people to go to, you'd see mass brain-drain out of oppessive states, much like the US did to the rest of the world. And you'd see mass business immigration, for the low-tax, low-regulation environment, without health-care mandates and the like. Which would create jobs and in turn attract more people.

It would be a wonderful virtuous cycle.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Friedrich Dominicus — Sat, 07 Jul 2012 08:15:27 GMT

"Mass foot voting would be the best way to suck the life out of the state,"

Where should we go?

Everywhere you can go ther eis some "state".

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Anenome — Sat, 07 Jul 2012 06:26:10 GMT

Mass foot voting would be the best way to suck the life out of the state, but we'd need to have a free society in place for them to go to.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Friedrich Dominicus — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:46:38 GMT

I found the anser myself.

Don't buy any bonds of states.

That's absolutely legal and helps.

So here you have it. I'm suprised nobody else suggestes just this.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Friedrich Dominicus — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:28:20 GMT

Sad but IMHO true. Yeah the illusion of states as wealth machines is so absurd....

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Anenome — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:08:02 GMT

Absent a political movement to provide an alternative, the result can only be a deepening of the political concepts already in play. Greece will probably fall deeper into despotism and lose another generation or two of progress after a default and leaving the Euro. To think there's enough people in that country that believe they're literally entitled to government largesse to have political clout is not encouraging.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Friedrich Dominicus — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:55:32 GMT

Ok it seems at least that some Greeks are not paying their taxes any more. So yes indeed this will damage the state. Just the question will be how will the Deledefs "react" . I think they will leave the Euro and introduce a new Fiat-currency, and that wil be quite a loss for every one having savings. And the deledefs will "get" the population easily as hostages....

I just can hope the state breaks before the state breaks the people.....

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Anenome — Thu, 31 May 2012 19:54:25 GMT

Friedrich Dominicus:

So I repeat my question. how can I minimize my damage (or maximize the damage of my torturer which) is the state. Nobod really has come up with a sort of suggestion. I'm not suprised, because there is no easy visible escape in reach.

Well, I think my solution is perfectly viable. The idea that your family won't let you leave your current state is an artificial, though real, constraint.

We get together and found our own state, then the productive people of the world can move there and brain-drain the rest of the world. That would allow the contradictions of these centralized states to fall of their own accord. They would simultaneously drive the productive to our libertarian state, with their onerous punishment of production and risk-taking, and make it far more difficult for their own system to survive in the process, as the productive they leech from disappear from their tax rolls.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

triknighted — Thu, 31 May 2012 13:13:08 GMT

Autolykos:

If I had been in charge of the Minerva Project, there would've been significant money invested in weaponry and no notices would've been sent out to any states. Let our presence be discovered after we're well established (and well armed) on the reefs.

Now that's what I'm talking about. I agree 100%.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Autolykos — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:57:22 GMT

I'd say that the Minerva Project actually did two things wrong. First, they didn't invest in any weaponry. Second, they explicitly notified neighboring states about the new "Republic of Minerva". It was that explicit notification of "independence" that led to a conference among the neighboring states where Tonga ended up making a claim over the Minerva Reefs which was recognized by the other states (surprise, surprise).

It amazes me that the "Minervans" actually expected other states to "play nice". But then, they were really setting up a state of their own. If I had been in charge of the Minerva Project, there would've been significant money invested in weaponry and no notices would've been sent out to any states. Let our presence be discovered after we're well established (and well armed) on the reefs.

Re: How to maximize damage to states

triknighted — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:56:16 GMT

Autolykos:

The Minerva Project is pretty much dead. It was effectively over once Tongan military forces booted the "Minervans" off of the Minerva Reefs.

Had they armed themselves and used the arms in defense of their property (key word there), they would likely still be free today. Instead they believed in the Hobbesian "fallacy." Hmm. . . .

Re: How to maximize damage to states

Autolykos — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:50:31 GMT

The Minerva Project is pretty much dead. It was effectively over once Tongan military forces booted the "Minervans" off of the Minerva Reefs.