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Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Freedom4Me73986 — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:39:27 GMT

I've done the whole 'getting back to nature' thing here in Arkansas. It is a dreadfully boring existence, in my opinion. It steals time from other activities I can be doing that will improve the world, like overhauling the education system. Or maybe inventing a new product. Instead, you're tending to your garden or cattle. Minimalism isn't for everyone. And civilization isn't bad because it isn't minimalist.

No. Civ is based on agriculture and animal husbandry. I'm talking about living like a hunter-gatherer where you hunt and gather your food supply in the wild.

As for why I've never moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project? I hate colde weather with every fiber in my body. They should've started it in Belize. I could get behind that.

Look, no one likes the cold. But all of the states nominated for the FSP (meaning the states which are the most libertarian and free market) all have weather. NH, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, Montana and the Dakotas aren't Belize but they're not Cuba either.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Freedom4Me73986 — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:27:00 GMT

Too far north too damn cold

It gets as hot as Florida does in the summer. This July it was nearly 100 degrees out. It only gets "too damn cold" in December, Jan, Feb, and most of March.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Wheylous — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:11:19 GMT

Yes. It's not necessarily immoral, it's just not good to be doing crack.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:11:01 GMT

the sentence after that one, does imply that he was meaning it as a moral statement

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

ThePiperFromArkansas — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:30:38 GMT

I don't think he was referring to the morality of doign crack. More of a 'crack is bad for your body' analogy.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:32:39 GMT

"doing crack by choice = individual choice = good" though I would disagree.

there is nothing immoral about doing crack... maybe you should have used murder or rape as an example, but not doing crack.. The main thing is, is that state socialism/collectivism is coercion while society forming from a division of labor is not...

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

awarre — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:50:31 GMT

Too far north too damn cold

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

ThePiperFromArkansas — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:31:05 GMT

Civilization IS collectivist/socialist. Once you're in civ you're automatically thrown into a group and forced to think with the group. Socialism is any system that puts the collective over the individual, so civ is blatantly socialist.

This is ridiculous. Civilization has nothing to do with collectivism or socialism. Civilization is a collection of people whom VOLUNTARILY interact in their best economic and social interests.

Come to NH. Live off the land for a little while and see how much better you like it compared with being shoved into a city with a million others where you're coerced into going out of your way for others.

I've done the whole 'getting back to nature' thing here in Arkansas. It is a dreadfully boring existence, in my opinion. It steals time from other activities I can be doing that will improve the world, like overhauling the education system. Or maybe inventing a new product. Instead, you're tending to your garden or cattle. Minimalism isn't for everyone. And civilization isn't bad because it isn't minimalist.

As for why I've never moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project? I hate colde weather with every fiber in my body. They should've started it in Belize. I could get behind that.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Wheylous — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:30:45 GMT

^ +1

Good in the sense of libertarian principles. Though you can argue "doing crack by choice = individual choice = good," though I would disagree. The argument becomes not moral but practical: "can you achieve your maximum potential if you interact in a society of people or does that inherently dumb you down."

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

jay — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:13:25 GMT

Collectivism by choice = free association = good

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Wheylous — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:45:17 GMT

You're not FORCED to think with the group unless you have government indoctrination. And society is not a bad thing. Many of the major advances in history are due to interaction of knowledge and ideas. Heck, this forum is a society. Are we thus collectivist? (Though I must admit I have found myself irrationally agreeing with some people here :P )

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Freedom4Me73986 — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:10:45 GMT

In other news, Free Keene activist Ian Freeman is being imprisoned for 90 days.

http://freekeene.com/2011/08/10/free-keene-blogger-ian-freeman-caged-for-90-days/

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Freedom4Me73986 — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:59:08 GMT

Civilization IS collectivist/socialist. Once you're in civ you're automatically thrown into a group and forced to think with the group. Socialism is any system that puts the collective over the individual, so civ is blatantly socialist.

Come to NH. Live off the land for a little while and see how much better you like it compared with being shoved into a city with a million others where you're coerced into going out of your way for others.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Chyd3nius — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:29:48 GMT

How so? I'm on the belief that civilization is by its nature collectivist.

If by 'collectivist' you mean 'socialistic', then you are just so wrong. Whole point of austrian economics is to show that foundations of civilizations are anything but socialistic.

EDIT: Ok I put it slightly wrong. The results of Austrian economics have shown to us would be much better.

Re: So why DON'T you want to move to NH with the FSP?

Freedom4Me73986 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:40:39 GMT

During the German hyperinflation of the 1920s, did you see people leaving in droves to live off the land? I don't think so, at least I have never heard of that.

And maybe if they did fascism would have been avoided. The whole point of "living off the land" is to ignore the state and live by your own rules and skills.

Life sucks balls in a hyperinflaiton, you can't save, time preference drops to basically zero, but life was STILL better than living like hunter-gatherer.

How so? I'm on the belief that civilization is by its nature collectivist.

NH winter was noticiably worse than in MD. December was that bad, but Jan and Feb were miserable and then March was very cold and even April was very cool, lots of grey days in the low 50s. May, June, September, and October are the only pleasant months weather wise. Maybe the start of November and the end of April, the ocasional day in July, and the tail end of August if you're lucky, although there were days at the end of August last year that were 100 +.

I'll admit it's been very hot and humid in NH this summer. But what makes you think MD is any better economic-wise? Do you really think MD (which was ranked as one of the least free states) has any shot of becoming as libertarian as NH?

Weare is a very small town in NH and they have had a number of run ins between free staters and the police.

Grafton is a very small town and it only has one cop.