http://mises.org/community/forums/222.aspxIf you are just dropping in or starting out, post hereenCommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479880.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 05:14:14 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479880vive la insurrection0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479880.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479880<p> Like I said I haven&#39;t read DTGTF,&nbsp;But the main the main and superficial thrust seems to be somthing like this:</p> <p> It looks at the institutions of Democracy and Monarchy, and shows how the structures of each are bad - but how Monarchy mimics the market set up and has a private property based system , and shows how it is more condusive to a natural sociological arrangment. &nbsp;It is ultimately a case for Ancap, I think</p> <p> &nbsp;</p> <p> Oh and one more awesome book recommendation that no one has mentioned yet, that I can&#39;t believe I forgot <em>The Invisible Hook</em> by Peter Leeson. &nbsp;It&#39;s a really fun read.</p> <p> &nbsp;</p> <p> &nbsp;</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> <em>Also, I enjoy your continual flip flopping on accounts :P</em></p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> lol, I&#39;m not</p> <div> &nbsp;</div> <p> &nbsp;</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479879.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 05:00:29 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479879Aristippus0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479879.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479879<p> After he discusses the flaws of both democracy and monarchy (arguing that the former is worse than the latter), Hoppe offers an alternative to both systems - &#39;natural order&#39;, i.e. anarchy.&nbsp; This takes up at least half of the book.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479878.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 04:54:58 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479878Neodoxy0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479878.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479878<p> I thought it was specifically about the incentives of democracy and monarchy?</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479877.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 04:46:19 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479877Aristippus0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479877.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479877<p> <blockquote><div>Is the book really a book on anarcho-capitalism?</div></blockquote></p> <p> Definitely.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479873.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 04:34:18 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479873Neodoxy0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479873.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479873<p> &quot;But as far as a major non Austrian book on Ancap, what would you recommend? Wouldn&#39;t Machinery be the most famous counter Ancap manifesto?&quot;</p> <p> Oh for sure, but I think this might also say something about just how many manifestos there are. I can&#39;t say that there are very many out there that I would recommend, most of them are historical works which you could find in Anarchy and the Law. I&#39;ve also read a good piece on Somalia. Someone really needs to make a full list of such books, all of them, because they are so rare.</p> <p> But the fact is that the Austrian school was the progenitor, and current harbinger of anarcho-capitalism</p> <p> &quot;I haven&#39;t seen anyone recommend <em>Democracy the God that Failed</em> by Hoppe.&quot;</p> <p> 1. Is the book really a book on anarcho-capitalism?</p> <p> 2. I haven&#39;t read the book, but I still consider the most important book written by an Austrian in the last decade because it did two thing, first of all it added something to Austrian theory, something which really hasn&#39;t been done nearly enough since Rothbard wrote MES, indeed the last tract tome which really added much to Austrian theory (except for the one in question) Was De Soto&#39;s book. Second of all it did something which has been urgently required since the day that Mises wrote human action, and something that no one except Hayek, Mises and arguably Schumpeter did anything with, and that&#39;s that is spreading the praxeological method on to more &quot;sociological&quot; matters, examining the non-market entities of society, more than simply the market under various conditions and socialism. I hope this kind of investigation of &quot;Austrian Sociology&quot; continues and expands. It is not only economics which is subject to praxeological law, but rather all human things.</p> <p> EDIT</p> <p> Also, I enjoy your continual flip flopping on accounts :P</p> <p> &nbsp;</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479867.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 04:07:18 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479867Kelvin Silva0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479867.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479867<p> I liked Anatomy of the State to get you hooked, and then add in a little of For a New Liberty, and top it off with Chaos Theory</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479864.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 03:49:51 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479864William0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479864.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479864<p> &nbsp;</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> <em>Oh, well then read For a New Liberty. Read it read it read it. I also heard that &quot;The Ethics of Liberty&quot; had valuable insights beyond an ethical standpoint but I can&#39;t say for sure because I haven&#39;t read it.</em></p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> But as far as a major non Austrian book on Ancap, what would you reccomend? Wouldn&#39;t Machinery be the most famous counter Ancap manifesto?</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> &nbsp;</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> Oh also, and back to &quot;Austrians&quot;:</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> &nbsp;I haven&#39;t seen anyone recommend <em>Democracy the God that Failed</em> by Hoppe. &nbsp;I haven&#39;t read it, but have read a lot about it (it isnt free). &nbsp;It&#39;s contraversial, but it has provoked a lot of discussions, and is a major work that deals with ancap political theory.</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> &nbsp;</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> PS:</p> <p style="font-size:1.1em;"> This is Vive la Insurrection</p> <div> &nbsp;</div><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479839.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 02:18:49 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479839Neodoxy0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479839.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479839<p> Oh, well then read For a New Liberty. Read it read it read it. I also heard that &quot;The Ethics of Liberty&quot; had valuable insights beyond an ethical standpoint but I can&#39;t say for sure because I haven&#39;t read it.</p> <p> The Machinery of Freedom is good but it&#39;s not to the same standard as FANL or most of the other things mentioned.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479837.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 02:05:18 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479837A Creature Void of Form0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479837.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479837<p> <blockquote><div><span style="font-family:&#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;;font-size:13px;">The only thing that hasn&#39;t been listed here is Power and Market by Rothbard.</div></blockquote></span></p> <p> I&#39;d rather people&nbsp;<em>not</em> avoid making repeat mentions of books. Repeat mentions by multiple people will signal to me that it&#39;s probably one of the better ones. :)</p> <p> &nbsp;</p> <p> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions thus far.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479833.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 01:47:51 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479833vive la insurrection0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479833.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479833<p> Also,</p> <p> I should mention - I have only skimmed pieces of&nbsp;<em>Anarchy State Utopia</em> and&nbsp;<em>For a New Liberty</em>&nbsp; and Ihave never read the <em>Machinary of Freedom</em></p> <p> I justmentioned them becauseas far as libertarian political thinking goes, I think those are historicaly seen as the most seminal books in the field.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479832.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 01:38:49 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479832vive la insurrection0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479832.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479832<p> My bad,</p> <p> I usually first think of it as a critique of &nbsp;Rawls - and instead of filng it under &quot;libertarian&quot;, whichI should have done - I filed under &quot;ancap&quot; in my head for some reason.. &nbsp;You&#39;re right though, it does attack ancap. &nbsp; It is however a seminal libertarian work</p> <p> &nbsp;</p> <p> The <em>Road To Serfdom</em> I filed under &quot;pre ancap&quot;. &nbsp;I thinkthat book &nbsp;is very responsible for helping foster libertarian thoughts, before there was an actual libertarian movement. It&#39;s one of those &quot;cross over / big tent&quot; revolutionary books</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479830.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 01:25:20 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479830Neodoxy0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479830.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479830<p> Vive,</p> <p> I thought the Nozick book was a direct criticism of anarchist theory and wrote on the need for a minarchist state, as does The Road to Serfdom to a lesser extent?</p> <p> Also, how could I have forgotten? A lesser known but still excellent composition of anarchist legal thought is Anarchy and the Law.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479828.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 01:10:27 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479828vive la insurrection0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479828.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479828<p> <em>Anarchy, State, Utopia&nbsp;</em>by Robert Nozick</p> <p> <em>The Machinery of Freedom&nbsp;</em>by David Freidman</p> <p> <em>For A New Liberty</em> by &nbsp;Murray Rothbard</p> <p> <i>The State</i> by Anthony De Jassay</p> <p> Would probably be the &quot;big four&quot; historical ancap treaties. &nbsp;All offer a different perspective</p> <p> Some major pre Ancap works:</p> <p> <em>Our Enemy The State</em> by Albert jay Nock</p> <p> <em>Road to Ser​fdom</em> by F.A. Hayek</p> <p> <em>Liberalism</em> by Ludwig von Mises</p> <p> &nbsp;</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479827.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 00:51:10 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479827Aristippus0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479827.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479827<p> Anthony de Jasay, <em>Against Politics</em></p> <p> FA Hayek, <em>The Fatal Conceit</em></p> <p> Frank Chodorov, <em>The Rise and Fall of Society</em></p><div style="clear:both;"></div>http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479825.aspxTue, 17 Jul 2012 00:48:53 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:479825Neodoxy0http://mises.org/community/forums/thread/479825.aspxhttp://mises.org/community/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=222&PostID=479825<p> The only thing that hasn&#39;t been listed here is Power and Market by Rothbard. It&#39;s very economic/jargony, but it&#39;s probably the best anti-interventionist book ever written. It&#39;s like economics in one lesson on steroids.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>