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Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Anenome — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:08:46 GMT

The real question is why you expect something out of Rand in the first place. He's a politician trying to stay a poltician. Paul was a major aberration, a politician trying to end the job of all politicians.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Thisprogramhasnotbeenrated — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:16:44 GMT

Sacha was hilarious back in his old roles of Ali G or Borat, where he would troll or insult the hell out of uptight, upper class white people who always seemed to take his antics all too seriously. Just watch one of his clips where he mocks a politician by pretending to be oblivious to what political party he belongs to (all of them are avalaible on youtube). He went in decline after his Borat movie, and his late Dictator film was largely passe by any standard.

And yes, Hollywood is left-wing as hell. You don't have to be a neocon to realize that almost everything in the entertainment industry is left-wing.

Except when it releases another patriotic war schlock drenched in bodily fluids spilled over various Pentagon military hardware. It isn't left-wing as much as it is fanatically state worshipping. Honestly, I find movies and media released by Hollywood these days resembling more and more Stalinist or Nazi propaganda.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

SkepticalMetal — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:10:43 GMT

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Now THIS one I like.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Primetime — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:55:56 GMT

Wheylous:
The bruno scene wasn't funny at all to me. It actually made me very uncomfortable watching it. Not because of Bruno, because of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was in Bruno too? I never saw that one. How the hell did he get fooled by the same guy twice??

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Graham Wright — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:31:58 GMT

Wheylous:

dude6935 - how about we do the same for Ron Paul. I'll start by listing bad things he voted for:

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I wonder what votes Murray Rothbard had in mind when he wrote this in 1982...

The current issue of Lib. Vanguard (October 1982) is a cornucopia of goodies, a veritable blockbuster. There is a thoroughly researched article by Justin Raimondo, "Ron Paul for President?", which exposes the manifold anti-libertarian aspects of Congressman Ron Paul's voting record in the current Congress. The point of the article is that while Congressman Paul's voting record may be fine as a Republican, Libertarian candidates, particularly new converts aspiring to run for President, must be held to a far higher standard. And the odious Crane machine has been making loud noises about Mr. Paul for the LP Presidential nomination. While everyone has free will and can change his mind, Mr. Paul as a candidate for the LP nomination would have to face up to and repudiate his long list of anti-libertarian votes and stands before anyone except the goose-stepping devotees of the Crane Machine could even consider him for such a high post.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

SkepticalMetal — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:06:01 GMT

@ fountainhead

Ah yes, the cult of Obama. It really is too bad Thomas Jefferson couldn't be resurrected. I'm not the guy's number 1 fan or anything, but I would just love for him to see how the Oval Office occupier's family has been deified.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Wheylous — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:56:17 GMT

dude6935 - how about we do the same for Ron Paul. I'll start by listing bad things he voted for:

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

fountainhead — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:46:36 GMT

Well, first of all, I'm talking about the way people, especially in the media, treat the president and his family. The way they're so fascinated with everything about his personal life. The name of his dog, the food he likes to eat, the sports teams he follows, his singing skills, etc. This kind of bootlicking has no place in a republic.

Second, I think people are expecting Rand to be his father just because they're related. In the same way Democrats trust the Kennedy "brand", some libertarians were getting too caught up in a Paul brand.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

SkepticalMetal — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:28:06 GMT

Could you please specify on what you mean by "American royal family?"

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

fountainhead — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:56:50 GMT

Here's his appearance today on Schiff's show.

Even though I prefer his father's more principled stances, I don't know if we can call him a 'traitor'. I mean, did he ever promise to be a clone of his father? We shouldn't be angry just because he's a different person with different values and priorities. That's completely normal and no one's going to be the PERFECT libertarian. And like has been said before, it's funny that so many of us, even libertarians, seem to fall victim to some sort of innate desire for an American royal family!

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

dude6935 — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:24:59 GMT

Why don't you post the postive things Rand has done, and we can weigh it out?

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

SkepticalMetal — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:31:59 GMT

@ Merlin

The original Star Wars trilogy was pretty anti-collectivist. In fact, the Mises website has a really awesome film list composed of some anti-establishment pro-libertarian movies.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

xahrx — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:53:15 GMT

"Also, this will derail the thread, but why is it that so many libertarians like the movie "Fight Club?" After I saw it, my conclusion that it was anti-capitalist even by our definition of it." - SkepticalMetal

Because it was anti establishment in general, and because it was reactionary against the general pussification of the American male, both of which many libertarians would find common cause with even if they disagreed on a fundamental level with where Tyler Durden took things. Different ideologies can come to the same conclusion via different routes, and find common cause because of the thematic content that underlies their movements.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

SkepticalMetal — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:35:34 GMT

Yeah. Now we have leftist jerks calling us homophobic or whatever because of Ron Paul's response to Sacha Baron Cohen when he did what he did. Oh yeah, what would Obama have done, would he have said "yes we can?" In his deceptive tactics the idiot created another excuse for RP haters.

Re: Rand Paul growing worse and worse

Wheylous — Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:12:59 GMT

The bruno scene wasn't funny at all to me. It actually made me very uncomfortable watching it. Not because of Bruno, because of Ron Paul.