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Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:52:28 GMT

I think this is spot on.

It is... but then we're all victims of reptilian overlords.

See, the "unspeakable" truth is that there is no civilized or decent aspect to politics at all - it is merely the wrangling for turf between competing ganglords (rulers) using any and all means necessary... including murder (even of innocents/bystanders), bribery, extortion, blackmail, you-name-it. This fact is wrapped in so many layers of euphemism and propaganda from the youngest age that it is nearly impossible for most people to ever come to grips with the unspeakable truth (that's why it's unspeakable).

But Icke's reptilian thing doesn't really challenge the unspeakable. It leaves it, still, unspoken. But perhaps the lizard thing provides a sort of verbal half-way point for people to begin talking about the true nature of government without actually uttering the unspeakable.

Clayton -

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Al_Gore the Idiot — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:42:26 GMT

I just started watching Icke's seven hour, "The Lion Sleeps No More" Wembley event on youtube. Will let you know how it goes.

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Andris Birkmanis — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:10:37 GMT

Wasn't it Icke who said that "They use human fear, guilt, and aggression as energy"? I think this is spot on.

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:39:25 GMT

I like Icke (lol) a lot but... I finally put my finger on what bothers me about his message. Basically, the Reptilian idea means you either have to believe that the human (appearing) ruling Elites literally are lizards (which is batshit crazy) or you have to believe that we are all (including the "Elites") being manipulated by external forces... which excuses the Elites of their crimes. So, either you believe something that is crazy, or you excuse the flesh-and-blood (and 100%, homegrown Homo sapiens... even if a bit inbred) ruling Elites.

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Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

crashproof — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:15:25 GMT

I dont think Icke has ever said that something momentous will occur precisely on that day, only that it marks the ending of one cycle and the beginning of another, referring to it as a window. In other words exactly what the Mayans said and not what doomsday hucksters have been peddling. The years following will be the true indicator of whether there's something to it or not. I remain optimistic.

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:54:26 GMT

@hk: The 9/11 issue should not be viewed in an evangelistic light. There is no "gospel truth" that needs to be shared to as many people as possible. Rather, I see it in a much more mundane light - the 9/11 attack is one in a string of attacks and staged wars stretching back at least a century and which have formed the basis of war - even the world wars. In other words, 9/11 was the work of thugs and was meant to be exploited - and is being exploited - by those same thugs in order to consolidate their power and achieve other political objectives.

This isn't something that people need to "wake up" to. If you don't see it, that's fine. As you said, what they openly admit to doing is bad enough. The awakening that we need is a moral one. If people can turn a blind eye to the unspeakable abuses and systemic corruption - just consider the astronomical public debt, for example - then that needs to be addressed before worrying about the subtler elements of manipulation by covert means. In other words, if the public cannot even see the gross immorality in the government's overt means of maintaining power, there's no use in getting in a frenzy over its covert means.

Clayton -

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

h.k. — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:44:46 GMT

The websites that addressed Loose Change, also did a pretty good job of addressing the most fundamental questions surrounding the attack. This is why I am hesistant to waste my time on 2001 conspiracy theories.

What the state openly admits to doing is far worse imo, and enough to motivate Libertarians.

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:35:17 GMT

Ooh, nice one Al Gore. I think we should have a 30-day countdown to the end of the world!

Edit: Someone beat us to it. LOL

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Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Al_Gore the Idiot — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:48:48 GMT

Redemption day is one month away for Icke. He must be sweating by now.

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

thetabularasa — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:41:54 GMT

Those conspiracy theorists are nuts! Except for the ones touting the Reptilians, which are definitely among us....

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:19:16 GMT

I don't recall asserting that he is. Alex Jones is odd, let me say it that way. There's something fishy about him but I can't put my finger on precisely what it is.

Clayton -

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Al_Gore the Idiot — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:02:16 GMT

So Clayton, you no longer believe that Alex Jones is part of controlled opposition?

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Kelvin Silva — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:15:47 GMT

Is alex jones an anarcho capitalist?

If he is a minarchist then why? Wouldnt anarchy be the best way to sever the people from control of nwo/rothschild/goldmansax/etc/etc?

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Clayton — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:45:00 GMT

Alex Jones can be a bit of an asshat at times and he definitely makes a handsome living peddling doom-porn... however, info-wars.com is actually a compendium of government crimes and misdeeds that exceeds LRC in its scope and scale, if not in its sophistication and discernment.

David Icke is an interesting fellow. Either he's MI5 or (my favored hypothesis) he's a genuinely misled fellow who may be being subtly manipulated through "higher powers". A lot of his stuff is basically twice-baked theosophy. And while his lizard thing is batshit crazy, he's not crazy for thinking about it. However, I believe that he may be aware that he is manipulated to an extent and does a little manipulating of his own... I detect woven into his crazier stuff a kind of anarchist or minarchist narrative that is opposed to the modern religion of democracy and the false egalitarianism and monoculture emanating out of the Establishment.

While neither Alex Jones nor David Icke are harmful... neither are they good examples of critical thinking. If you want to get educated on the crimes of the State and its overall short-term agenda (CFR bullshit), Alex Jones is a great resource, though use LRC to keep an even keel. If you want to get educated on the spiritual affect of the Establishment... which really operates at a much higher level of manipulation than what Alex Jones talks about, then David Icke can give you the general gist of it, though he's awful short on substance at times.

If you want to learn critical thinking then there's no better place to start than Mises (Ultimate Foundations of Economic Science). Peruse this thread for more specific recommendations on a related note.

Clayton -

Re: The Folly of the Conspiracy Theorist

Rugged Free-Marketeer — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:07:30 GMT

^Yeah... that's totally true. Here are two embodiments of critical thinking in the flesh.