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Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

MMMark — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:52:34 GMT

Sat. 12/08/25 17:53 EDT
.post #238

Clayton:
Rand Paul: Well, there is a disconnect and my dad used to always say that there's a lag time, you know, maybe of years, between what's going on in America and what's going on in Washington.

His Dad stopped saying this?

Yeah, possibly. It strikes me as one of those observations that one would verbalize for a while after discovering it, but then cease verbalizing it once it became just another part of one's weltanshauung...as obvious as "the sky is blue," and as unnecessary to keep pointing out.

Clayton:
Or perhaps he no longer talk to his Dad?

Perhaps.

Clayton:
Or maybe his Dad just doesn't get around anymore.

Not sure in what sense "doesn't get around anymore" could apply to Ron Paul, especially during the 2011/2012 campaign. It just seems like an observation that is both true and timeless, regardless of how much "getting around" Ron has been up to.

But you know, it seems to me that Ron Paul has not (entirely) ceased to verbalize this observation. I can't link to specific videos, but I recall him saying to pundits or interviewers or talk show hosts "There's a revolution going on!" - the not-too-subtle implication being that the establishment isn't (yet) aware of what "the grassroots" already know.

Edit:

4/22/10 Ron Paul vs Chris Matthews on Hardball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAl9V9I5dOk#t=08m48s
(Please visit the site to view this media)

Sawyer: "What kind of marriage was it?"

Peterson: "God, the first word that comes to mind is, you know, glorious. I mean we took care of each other, very well. She was amazing. She is amazing."

Peterson spoke of his missing wife in the past tense before hastily correcting himself.

Peterson described his marriage as "glorious" even though he admitted to cheating on his pregnant wife. " Did he slip up by saying...... "She was amazing. She is amazing." (past tense)

Asked about the baby boy due within weeks, he responded: "That was, it's so hard." (past tense)

I understand what the editor of this passage is suggesting: that Peterson's repeated reference to his wife in the past tense, and then immediately after in the present tense, implies that he is lying, that he knows his wife is permanently gone. Well, maybe...but maybe not.

Clayton:
That Reason interview of Rand is one of the oddest interviews I have seen in a long time. And this "mis"statement of Rand's just takes the cake. Who says "as my Dad used to always say" about their living Dad???

Hm. This doesn't seem too unusual to me. I think many people could speak of their father that way, for several different reasons. Theories as to the those reasons could range from the complex and sinister to the banal and pedestrian. For example, it's even possible that Rand wasn't being as careful about his choice of words as he "should" have been. But, assuming he said exactly what he meant to say, and assuming what he said accurately expresses some reality I'm not privy to, I'm led to believe that this is just one of the many political lessons (no longer repeated) that members of the Paul family learned from the patriarch.

Clayton:
Still freaks me out. I'm watching historical RP vids to try to see if there's any change, however minor, in his appearance/demeanor.

Hm! What you imply here would not have occurred to me. I'm not dismissing your reaction or suspicions. I'm just noting that one's life experiences influence one's perceptions and reactions. We look at the same statement and "see" different things.

This might have been a more interesting interview had you been present to offer your interjections.

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Cortes — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:47:11 GMT

I'm pretty sure the spam is due to this forum software essentially being abandonware

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:10:18 GMT

And why does the Terminator have metal teeth and nose-holes? Or even a jaw at all for that matter?

Clayton -

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:09:01 GMT

I know! We should make a movie out of it! CIA secretly assassinated Ron Paul 10 years ago after creating a meticulously accurate body/speech-double to replace him... then ran him in the '08/'12 elections for as-yet unknown purposes...

Dun Dun DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Clayton -

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Wheylous — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:03:31 GMT

Who says "as my Dad used to always say" about their living Dad???

You mean... you mean... Ron Paul is actually dead? Then who's the guy giving the speeches?

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:03:51 GMT

You must be really tough to live with, Clayton.

}:-) muahahaha

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

John James — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:59:35 GMT

Clayton:
That Reason interview of Rand is one of the oddest interviews I have seen in a long time. And this "mis"statement of Rand's just takes the cake. Who says "as my Dad used to always say" about their living Dad???

I agree with Bert. I would use the same language without a problem. Just because you remember hearing things growing up doesn't mean you don't talk any more. And maybe Ron doesn't say that as much any more...or at least not to someone like Rand who's heard it a thousand times.

You must be really tough to live with, Clayton.

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:58:38 GMT

Still freaks me out. I'm watching historical RP vids to try to see if there's any change, however minor, in his appearance/demeanor.

Clayton -

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Bert — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:46:21 GMT

IDK, language can be elusive. I'm sure I can catch myself saying something along the lines of that. It's a bit different than saying "Walter Block used to say..." and "My dad used to say..." I think one can view their parents in a long timeline like that to where some "family wisdom" becomes a past tense thing.

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:34:47 GMT

Rand Paul: Well, there is a disconnect and my dad used to always say that there's a lag time, you know, maybe of years, between what's going on in America and what's going on in Washington.

His Dad stopped saying this? Or perhaps he no longer talk to his Dad? Or maybe his Dad just doesn't get around anymore.

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Consider this Diane Sawyer interview of Scott Peterson in 2003:

Sawyer: "What kind of marriage was it?"

Peterson: "God, the first word that comes to mind is, you know, glorious. I mean
we took care of each other, very well. She was amazing. She is amazing."

Peterson spoke of his missing wife in the past tense before hastily correcting himself.

Peterson described his marriage as "glorious" even though he admitted to cheating on his
pregnant wife. " Did he slip up by saying...... "She was amazing. She is amazing." (past tense)

Asked about the baby boy due within weeks, he responded: "That was, it's so hard." (past tense)

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That Reason interview of Rand is one of the oddest interviews I have seen in a long time. And this "mis"statement of Rand's just takes the cake. Who says "as my Dad used to always say" about their living Dad???

Clayton -

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

BransonBow — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:20:31 GMT

Ayep. As am I. You think they're above just flooding "enemy" forums with spam in order to impede discussion during "election" season?

Clayton -

I actually had the same thought. Maybe not to impede discussion so much as to basically troll without having to post and be a general annoyance. Not neccesarily moveon.org, but any number of org.'s or individuals. I've been coming here for over a year and this seems like a very sudden flood of spam and alot of it. *prepares tinfoil hat"

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

HabbaBabba — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:19:58 GMT

If Rand is pretending, it only helps his agenda for the Ron Paul types to continue criticizing him anyway. So as far as it concerns libertarians or whomever, it's irrelevant what he's doing until he does it.

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

MMMark — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:36:24 GMT

Sat. 12/08/25 12:37 EDT
.post #237

Clayton:
OK, since we're talking about RP irregularities anyway... I'm going to drop a bomb on this discussion, I mean like a 20-megaton H-bomb. It has been just bugging the hell out of me since I first ran across it. Listen to Rand Paul's answer to this question. See if you notice anything unusual about his response to Welch's question. Listen closely. Write down his repsonse if you have to.

I transcribed it:

Matt Welch: All the juice in American politics, basically since TARP and the bailouts, have been in that direction. Even if it's not specifically Tea Party, it's been in the direction towards cutting the size of government, freaking out about it and reacting that way. Why has it taken so long for people who work around here to realize that?

Rand Paul: Well, there is a disconnect and my dad used to always say that there's a lag time, you know, maybe of years, between what's going on in America and what's going on in Washington. And there's the lag time because maybe they're not truly connected to the people that well, they're not home as much as they used to be, but there's also a lag time because those in Washington are more concerned about furthering their career. And who do we see every day that comes in the office? Somebody with their hand out wanting money. Not poor people; rich people come in here with their hand out, and corporations, special interests, lobbyists...they all want something. In fact, one of my favorite little, ah, signs or stories is there's a Michigan congressman who's elected and he's got a sign up in his office and it says "If you've come looking for money you're in the wrong office." But that's what happens. So they get influenced by the wrong people and they are also self-preservation, they want to stay here once they get here, and to stay here they think you have to please the ah, the lobbyist. And I think the opposite may be true. See, like they don't want to talk about Social Security, in fact, they don't want me to talk about Social Security. I'm going to anyway, because....

Nick Gillespie: And who is "they" in this...?

Rand Paul: Well, let's just ... "they" ...

Nick Gillespie: Yeah, okay. (laughter)

Rand Paul: ...official wa...official Washington ... but anyway, you know, because they, they uh, they don't want us out in front of the issue, they want the president to absorb some of the blow - when you talk about entitlement(?), they think there will be blows - but I think even politically they've miscalculated, because I think people are hungry for someone who will step up and say "This is what's wrong and this is what I'm going to do to fix it." Look at who...look at the reaction of Chris Christie: He's nothing if nothing else he's frank, he's to the point, he's unafraid to say what's wrong, and all of a sudden people respect that, and I think even some of the media seems to be paying him some respect. So, I think it's a wrong political strategy and it's also wrong for the country just to sit back and not try to lead us out of the problems we have.

Clayton, I confess I don't hear or read anything unusual. What, specifically, are you referring to?

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

John James — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:29:28 GMT

oh is that seriously what you meant the first time? You think that's all coming from Moveon.org? I think your paranoia is flaring up more than usual again.

Re: Scandal! RevPac Founder Reveals Juicy Behind The Scenes Details

Clayton — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:24:35 GMT

I'm pretty sure they were talking about this.

Ayep. As am I. You think they're above just flooding "enemy" forums with spam in order to impede discussion during "election" season?

Clayton -