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Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Cortes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:29:44 GMT

Also, this forum is broken and I can't edit my above post, so I'll post this here:

Since WWII the entire dialogue over military intervention has been extirpated by the State. A false 'democratic' election is seen as a sign of the success of military intervention. A deposing of an anti-US autocrat sending a country into civil war and chaos is seen as a sign of the success of military intervention, since only futher military intervention will be able to prevent further violence.

You cannot win this debate because it has been preordained to fit the military-industrial complex's view of world affairs.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Cortes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:21:41 GMT

This has been identical to the Bush years. Whatever happens, seriously, whatever happens is spun to be a 'victory'. It's pure IngSoc. Victory on the Malabar front! Actually, it's crazier than that.

There is no debate allowed because the results are pretedermined beforehand and it will always be concluded as a 'victory'.

Doublespeak abounds; a 39 seat plurality of a pro-Western party in a parliament of 200, sponsored by a ruling body that was not elected by the Libyan people is a 'landslide' and a 'democratic revolution'.

Not to mention how uncomfortably this parallels the situation in Iraq in 2005.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Caley McKibbin — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:03:27 GMT

A shoulder fired SAM only costs about $10,000, which is a tad cheaper than a MiG-25.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Meistro — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:24:00 GMT

not sure if serious

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

auctionguy10 — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:58:12 GMT

lol western imperialism? There's not even one example of such a thing.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Marko — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:48:13 GMT

Some guy on Al-Jazeera [correction: Russia Today] said that many of the rebels are CIA agents and agents for other subversive agencies of the West.

I'm not saying that that isn't true, but "Russia Today" has a tendency to blame just about every negative political occurrence in the world on the "evil Western imperialists".

1. Some guy on RT, is not the same as RT.

2. Why the citation marks, are you quoting someone?

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

DanielMuff — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:32:58 GMT

Nooooooooo! Not that guy again.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Freedom4Me73986 — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 09:27:34 GMT

Commie claims Libya invasion is about gold. You MUST watch this for a few laughs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeNUYEEjnUw

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

DanielMuff — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:49:29 GMT

Rcder:

Daniel Muffinburg,

I'm not saying that that isn't true, but "Russia Today" has a tendency to blame just about every negative political occurrence in the world on the "evil Western imperialists".

Rusia Today hosted Lew Rockwell today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8AHvWqqE0

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Tartan Pimpernel — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:23:10 GMT

I'm not too sure. The only news source which has reported anything like this has been Press TV which is Iranian state-TV: a mouthpiece of the totalitarian regime in Tehran which frequently puts out stories advocating Holocaust denial and the like. I wouldn't trust them if I were you. I mean I thought British state-TV was bad!

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Kakugo — Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:57:41 GMT

I really don't think this operation is much more than rerun on a larger scale of Operation Eldorado Canyon. Differently from Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Gaddafi hasn't outlived his intended purpose, so a full blown invasion is out of the picture. Consider this operation to serve two purposes. The first is a warning shot to Gaddafi: we've given you everything you wanted, now start behaving or you'll join Saddam, Diem and other US-backed dictators who outlived their usefulness. The second is a sophisticated smoke and mirrors show for the benefit of the Arab world. The US is playing damage control with the oppressed masses of the Gulf, Egypt and the Maghreb. After the embarassing Mubarak show, after selling enormous quantities of weapons to Saudi Arabia (some of which are now being used against the people of Bahrain), after backing every single scoundrel they could find, they need a PR operation. Think of it as a Gulf War on a small scale: the Forces of Freedom coming to the help of the oppressed.

What the final outcome will be, nobody can tell. I personally think not even The Witch has thought about what to do next, just like when she charged like a raging bull into Somalia without a clear plan of action. A possible scenario could be an extended bombing campaign to break Gaddafi's claws and fangs (read: destroy his air force, damage has much heavy equipment as possible and demoralize his foreign mercenaries) followed by the arrival of UN troops, perhaps supplied by the African Union and the Arab League, to establish a "safety zone" around rebel-controlled areas. Another scenario is a ceasefire negotiated by the Arab League, which needs a PR operation itself big time, with Gaddafi agreeing at least to some of the rebels' demands, and the arrival of Arab League troops into the country.

Personally I think Gaddafi will go into his usual insane ramblings, threaten everybody will anhilation, but in the end he'll give in. His priority number one is to stay in power and if he has to come to more reasonable terms with both the rebels and Europe, he'll do so. Differently from the Afghan "insurgents", who have no fixed bases, no airfields, no heavy weaponry and can easily melt away, he's extremely vulnerable to the devastating Allied air supremacy. In the twenty five years since Eldorado Canyon the US has learned a thing or two about how to use this terrifying tool of destruction to the worst.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Paul — Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:40:06 GMT

A friend of mine said Lybia is claiming they shot down a French jet. Possibility?

This is not the same plane. Gaddafi claims to have shot down a French jet. French TV reported it, I'm told. But it's not true.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

Paul — Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:38:38 GMT

The MSM is claiming that was a Libyan jet shot down by the rebels. I find it hard to believe the rebels have that kind of capablities though.

Why? Actually, the initial reports were that it was a Gaddafi plane shot down by the rebels; then a rebel plane shot down by Gaddafi forces; after about 15 minutes it came out that it was a rebel plane shot down by the rebels. But a later report said it was "confirmed" that it was in fact a Gaddafi plane after all. I haven't heard anything more, but the media were still reporting an own-goal by the rebels much later. MSM are usually the last to report real info, though.

Re: The Official Libya Thread: It's Okay Because the UN Said It Was

resist272727 — Sun, 20 Mar 2011 07:39:13 GMT

fbc91:
Damn. Taking that into consideration, our foreign policy is worth it. I can't live without my Call of Duty.

Well everyone knows that without government we'd have corporations enslaving the population and fighting wars against each other. So maybe Call of Duty: Private Enterprise would be a pretty badass game. Apple could team up with General Motors and maybe make an iTank?