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Jim Sinclair: The Financial System Is Less Stable Today Than It Was in 2008

Ron Hera — Sat, 07 May 2011 11:35:00 GMT

The Hera Research Newsletter is pleased to present an in-depth interview with Jim Sinclair, Chairman and CEO of Tanzanian Royalty Exploration and founder of Jim Sinclair's MineSet, which hosts his gold commentary as a free service to the gold investment community.

Jim Sinclair is primarily a precious metals specialist and a commodities and foreign currency trader. He founded the Sinclair Group of Companies in 1977, which offered full brokerage services in stocks, bonds, and other investment vehicles. The companies, which operated branches in New York, Kansas City, Toronto, Chicago, London and Geneva, were sold in 1983.

From 1981 to 1984, Mr. Sinclair served as a Precious Metals Advisor to Hunt Oil and the Hunt family for the liquidation of their silver position as a prerequisite for the $1 billion loan arranged by the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker.

He was also a General Partner and Member of the Executive Committee of two New York Stock Exchange firms and President of Sinclair Global Clearing Corporation (a commodity clearing firm) and Global Arbitrage (a derivative dealer in metals and currencies).

In April 2002, shareholders of Tanzanian Royalty Exploration (formerly Tan Range Exploration) approved the acquisition of a Sinclair managed private company, Tanzania American International, and its exploration assets in Tanzania. Subsequently, Mr. Sinclair became Chairman of Tanzanian Royalty and now leads its efforts to become a gold royalty and development company.

He has authored three books and numerous magazine articles dealing with a variety of investment subjects, including precious metals, trading strategies and geopolitical events and their relationship to world economics and the markets. He is a frequent and popular commentator on financial and market related issues in various news publications, and has been profiled in the New York Times.

In January 2003 Mr. Sinclair launched, Jim Sinclair's MineSet, which now hosts his gold commentary and is intended as a free service to the gold community.

Hera Research Newsletter (HRN): Thank you for speaking with us today. You are one of very few people who have tried to warn investors about OTC derivatives. Why are OTC derivatives a problem in your opinion?

Jim Sinclair: Over the counter (OTC) derivatives are the reason we are going through what we are going through now. An OTC derivative is a kind of wager on what something will do. Up until 2009, most of these wagers had very little, if any, money behind them and, if the direction you bet on didn't come to fruition, the amount of leverage resulted in extraordinary losses. There was a major rollover in derivatives tied to real estate in 2008, as well as in other types, such as those tied to sub-prime auto loans.

HRN: Did OTC derivatives destabilize the financial system in 2008?

Jim Sinclair: Absolutely.

HRN: Don't financial institutions use risk cancellation models to hedge risks using OTC derivatives?

Jim Sinclair: Before the failure of Lehman Brothers, OTC derivatives losses would have almost netted out to zero. You can consider derivatives like a string in a circle with various knots representing all the derivatives transactions. When Lehman went broke, the string broke. When Lehman couldn't meet its obligations on derivatives, they could no longer be netted out to zero. That's why the banks went down, and that's why you had the government bailouts and quantitative easing (QE).

HRN: OTC derivatives are the real reason for the bank bailouts?

Jim Sinclair: That is a fact which can in no way be argued away.

HRN: Hasn't the problem been cleaned up by the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act?

Jim Sinclair: The pile of OTC derivatives is over $1 quadrillion. After 2008, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) adopted a new method of valuing them called value to maturity. Value to maturity assumes all of them will function, which is a cartoon. The derivatives pile hasn't contracted. Basically, it has expanded, but value to maturity reduced the notional value from over $1 quadrillion to under $700 trillion. The amount outstanding is the same as it was in the first place.

The flavor of the present moment is credit default swaps against the solvency, or lack thereof, of sovereign nations. New derivatives have some margin behind them, but they only work if they are not called upon. If a nation's debt was in fact to default, it would happen very quickly without a great deal of run up before. Most people would expect a rescue to be coming. Let's say a rescue didn't come, those credit default swaps would simply not be able to function and down again would come the banking system.

HRN: Are you saying that the financial system is less stable today than it was in 2008?

Jim Sinclair: It appears more stable but that's only an appearance. The entire equity rally took place almost to the day from when the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) relaxed the mark-to-market rule. It allowed financial institutions to make up whatever value they wanted for their worthless pieces of paper. If they used the real values, the banks would have come down.

HRN: Wasn't the FASB change a temporary measure to halt the decline in mortgage-backed securities?

Jim Sinclair: It wasn't just mortgage-backed securities. It was all the paper on bank balance sheets. The balance sheets of banks appear to be in good shape but they're not. In fact, they will need a lot more funds.

HRN: Then the financial system is still vulnerable?

Jim Sinclair: They've kicked the can down the road. The purpose of QE, in other words the printing of money, is to maintain some degree of integrity in the financial system. Bear in mind that the grease for the wheels of equity markets is liquidity, meaning that if you create a lot of money, it goes into the hands of banking institutions and international investment houses. So, the equity out of thin air market has been sustained by QE.

HRN: What can the government do to prevent another crisis?

Jim Sinclair: You can assume that what's been done already will be done again. There are no other tools in a practical sense. The idea that there won't be a continuation of QE is nonsense.

HRN: Can the government bail out the banks again?

Jim Sinclair: The central banks will buy the government debt. That's called quantitative easing.

HRN: Doesn't QE undermine the dollar?

Jim Sinclair: The dollar is an exercise in psychology. It's a piece of paper with a promise to pay but there's nothing in which it can be paid. It's legal settlement for debt but there's nothing that it's convertible into. To maintain confidence, it's necessary to maintain the stature of a currency. In an arithmetic sense, if you go into a market to sell a supply of apples, and if you're the only seller, you can get a nice price. If more sellers, meaning more apples, come into the market, there goes the price of apples. QE creates more dollars, which increases the supply.

HRN: If the dollar is losing value because of QE, what about the euro?

Jim Sinclair: If you look at the dollar or the euro or the yen, or even the Swiss franc, it's a race to the bottom amongst all currencies. All countries everywhere are creating more paper every day. It's a relative valuation, rather than a valuation based on an objective reference. What happens in the European Union immediately affects the dollar.

HRN: You mean the sovereign debt crisis?

Jim Sinclair: There's too much focus on the euro countries. There's no difference between the economic union of Europe and the union of the states in the United States. The states of europe have been revealed to be insolvent. How about the states of the United States? Out of New York, Illinois, California, etc., how many are solvent? The focus of the media has been on the euro. The U.S. should stand in front of a mirror. The states of the economic union of America are in no better shape.

HRN: The news media is ignoring the U.S. sovereign debt crisis?

Jim Sinclair: In George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, there were loud speakers constantly teaching the people what Big Brother wanted. The loudspeakers today are financial television. How much attention has financial TV put on the insolvency of U.S. states? It's been mentioned, but not like the solvency problems of Portugal, Greece, Spain and Ireland, which have gotten hours, days, weeks and months of constant coverage. The solvency of New York, Illinois and California has been brought up but fleetingly at best.

HRN: So, the solvency problems of U.S. states are like an elephant in the room that no one is talking about?

Jim Sinclair: How can you say that the euro is a disaster based on the financial condition of the states of the economic union of Europe, when the states of the economic union of the United States are in equally bad shape and in some cases worse? There's no difference. If you want to analyze the euro based on the weakness of its member states, how can the dollar be strong when the states of the United States are as weak or weaker?

HRN: So, the euro could rise against the U.S. dollar, despite the European sovereign debt crisis?

Jim Sinclair: Sure it can. The question is, can the dollar go lower? The euro could go to $1.50 or higher.

HRN: But the U.S. dollar is the world reserve currency. Doesn't that guarantee its value?

Jim Sinclair: Only by default. It remains so because central banks own dollars. If central banks could exchange them for gold or other currencies without a major dislocation, they would.

HRN: Then, as a practical matter, central banks can't get out of the dollar?

Jim Sinclair: The only one that's gotten out of it is China. They've made deals all around the world for metals, materials, energy and manufacturing. If you add it all up, China is no more stuck in the dollar than the man in the moon.

HRN: Doesn't the U.S. maintain a strong dollar policy?

Jim Sinclair: The strong dollar policy has only been a moderate, long-term downtrend that continues lower.

HRN: Don't central banks manage currency exchange rates to prevent disruptive changes, like the recent Japanese yen intervention?

Jim Sinclair: In the Japanese yen intervention, the central banks intervened but how long can they intervene? They have to create money to intervene, which comes back to QE.

HRN: Do you mean the overall affect of currency interventions is to create new money?

Jim Sinclair: Anything that happens around the world, for instance, the Bank of Japan's response to the horrible disaster in Japan, was to go straight to QE. Money is being created everywhere without any discipline but the problems of financial institutions remain because they have make-believe balance sheets with improper values for their OTC derivatives.

HRN: Doesn't the suspension of the FASB mark to market rule buy time for banks to repair their balance sheets?

Jim Sinclair: There are five million homes for sale in the United States if you include the off-market shadow inventory, which is a real inventory. There's no repair coming in the real estate market, therefore, there's no repair coming in the OTC derivatives based on that. That means there's no repair coming in the underlying paper that the banks now value at much higher levels than they could possibly sell them for, if they could sell them at all.

HRN: Will bank balance sheets eventually get better?

Jim Sinclair: As long as confidence remains in place, which depends on the equity market and that comes back to QE.

HRN: Are you saying that the U.S. stock market rally is driven by QE?

Jim Sinclair: There's an inability to stop QE without the whole house of cards coming down on itself. There's no other choice. It's the only tool left. The Federal Reserve can't take a hawkish position on monetary policy and interest rates without this whole thing rolling over. They can talk about it constantly and might have more back-door QE than front-door QE.

HRN: If QE doesn't stop soon, what will happen?

Jim Sinclair: The end game is a virtual reserve currency linked to gold. It will be based on an average of major currencies, which will slow down the movement in the index. The IMF is moving in that direction with Special Drawing Rights (SDRs). The dollar will be just another currency. The dollar's not going to zero. It could loose a significant part of its buying power, which it already has and could again.

HRN: How would a virtual currency work?

Jim Sinclair: There would have to be a broad measure of the money supply, such as M3 used to be for the U.S. dollar, but on an international basis. The price of gold would be related to that measure. Central banks would have to value their gold according to their contribution to or extraction of international liquidity, so the price of gold would rise or fall on its own.

HRN: Wouldn't that be a gold standard?

Jim Sinclair: There'll never be a return to a gold standard in my opinion. The end of all hyperinflations has been a commodity currency. That's exactly what happened in Germany, for example. Gold has the capacity to give confidence to people if there's some relationship between the currency and gold. The virtual currency will be linked to gold but not convertible into gold.

HRN: So, a gold component will restore confidence?

Jim Sinclair: The answer is a commodity currency. That's what happened every time there was this type of situation in monetary history. The rentenmark, which ended the German hyperinflation in 1923, was supposedly backed by all the real estate in Germany, but the government didn't own that real estate. The point is that it wasn't true. There was no great commodity backing for the rentenmark, but it was enough. It was a period when people were searching for anything to restore confidence in the currency.

HRN: Do you expect high inflation in U.S. dollar terms?

Jim Sinclair: The deed is done. Inflation is a pregnancy. The conception has already taken place. There's a delayed effect but if you do the crime, you do the time. The Federal Reserve could stop QE tomorrow and it wouldn't stop what's going to happen because of what they've already done.

HRN: Won't inflation reduce the real value of debt and help to repair bank balance sheets?

Jim Sinclair: Inflation is the way debt will be taken care of. The value of the currency will be so reduced as to reduce the debt load. It will also change the political scene. Whoever has power going into this will not have power coming out of it.

HRN: In other words, inflation is politically destabilizing?

Jim Sinclair: People really haven't seen the big picture. Currency induced cost push inflation is already here. Look at what's going on right now in the Middle East. We are moving from order to lack of order.

HRN: Would you say that inflation in food prices is indirectly driving oil prices higher?

Jim Sinclair: Oil goes right through from fertilizers to farm equipment to transportation and to food prices. The price of food is going to go even higher than we are seeing this year. The price of oil is headed decidedly higher. Peak Oil was a concept of the future. Now it's a concept of now. A car getting 25 miles per gallon will probably be too expensive for the average person to drive.

HRN: How will high oil prices affect the prices of other things?

Jim Sinclair: There will be dislocation in the means of delivery of products. There may be shortages of goods, not because there are no available goods but because the means of distribution breaks down. It's not that there won't be corn or wheat, but the fuel needed to deliver it will be too expensive and people who work in transportation will demand higher pay so they can live. That's where hyperinflation comes in.

HRN: And money to maintain the distribution of goods will be printed out of thin air?

Jim Sinclair: Every nation that has ever done this has turned into a banana republic. People can live in banana republics but there will be few wealthy people. There will be a few super wealthy people and an enormous amount of poverty. You can see it across the border in Nogales, Mexico, where people continue to live in extreme poverty.

HRN: America is becoming like Mexico?

Jim Sinclair: The standard of living is going much lower. People have to realize that the damage is already done. It's not a question of whether the U.S. can be pushed over the edge. We are over the edge. We are watching the consequences play out now.

HRN: What can people do to protect their wealth from inflation?

Jim Sinclair: People have to try to maintain their buying power. Each person can become their own central bank and, to the best of their abilities, focus on the assets that benefit from the disorder that's taking place and that will continue to take place.

HRN: Do you mean buying precious metals or commodities?

Jim Sinclair: I've spoken to people who, over the last ten years, have had this perspective. They have done very well. Even doing it now could protect your wealth.

HRN: What about gold? Do you see gold as a currency that can't be debased?

Jim Sinclair: What is real money? Gold is a currency that has no liability attached to it. It's a measure of value and a store of wealth that's universally acceptable.

HRN: So, gold is an alternative to dollars or euros?

Jim Sinclair: Physical gold is the answer. An individual who holds gold will have more time and ability to function.

HRN: How much higher do you think the price of gold could go?

Jim Sinclair: What's the exchange rate of a currency with no liability attached to it? Gold is going much higher. We could see shocking gold prices, maybe Alf Fields' target of $10,000 per ounce or Martin Armstrong's target of $12,000 per ounce. I think that my price target of $1,650 per ounce gold is going to be so low it will be considered silly.

HRN: Thank you for your time today.

Jim Sinclair: It was my pleasure.

Nicknamed "Mr. Gold" for his incredible timing of the gold market in the 1970's, when he called the top of the market in 1980 to the day, Jim Sinclair, is a legendary precious metals, commodities and currency trader. Mr. Sinclair was influenced by his father, Bert Seligman, who was the business partner of Jesse Livermore, "The Great Bear of Wall Street" famous for short selling in the stock market crashes of 1907 and 1929. Currently Chairman, President and CEO of Tanzanian Royalty Exploration Corporation, part of Mr. Sinclair's strategy to protect his interests from the effects of currency debasement, is to acquire as much gold in the ground as possible without rushing to production because, he believes, the price of gold will go much higher. Mr. Sinclair's famous 2001 gold price target of $1,650 per ounce in 2011-a prediction ten years into the future-fell within 22% of the gold price in January 2011 after a phenomenal 511% increase over a ten year period, from an average price of $265.49 in January 2001 to an average price of $1,356.40 in January 2011 (London p.m. Fix)-one of the most astonishing calls in the history of precious metals trading. As a commentator on precious metals, commodities and currencies, investors ignore Jim Sinclair at their peril.

QE2 and its Consequences (Part I)

Ron Hera — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:35:00 GMT

The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) announced on November 3, 2010 that it would purchase longer-term Treasury securities at a pace of $75 billion dollars per month through the Federal Reserve’s Permanent Open Market Operations (POMO) facility by the end of the second quarter 2011 and potentially beyond. The Quantitative Easing Two (“QE2”) program, championed by Ben Shalom Bernanke, Ph.D., Chairman of the US Federal Reserve, is expected to total at least $600 billion and the program may total more $600 billion, if Dr. Bernanke and the FOMC deem it to be necessary. Currently, QE2 is expected to continue until the end of 2011, i.e. up to $1.2 trillion, although there is ongoing policy debate within the Federal Reserve amidst growing fears that the policy may backfire.

Chart courtesy of Shadow Government Statistics

Monetary inflation is one result of QE2 because when the Federal Reserve buys US Treasuries it injects newly created money into the financial system, which, in turn, reduces the value of the US dollar (due to the increase in the quantity of dollars). A lower US dollar could stimulate US exports but could have unintended consequences, such as creating excess liquidity that could lead to asset price bubbles in the US. Low interest rates are already fueling a US dollar carry trade that seems likely to create asset price bubbles abroad. In 2010, borrowing in the US and investing abroad yielded significant returns, thus, there is a profitable carry trade in the world’s reserve currency, which has been called the mother of all carry trades by New York University economist Nouriel Roubini because of the US dollar’s increasingly tenuous status as the world reserve currency.

Global Outcry against QE2

The announcement of QE2 touched off an international firestorm of controversy. QE2 has been widely criticized by financial and political leaders representing US creditors, exporters and emerging economies. Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz has become an outspoken critic of QE2, warning that it poses a risk to emerging economies where asset price bubbles are already apparent. European Central Bank (ECB) President Jean-Claude Trichet expressed the same concern. The growing consensus on the part of emerging economies, such as Brazil, India, China, Argentina, Taiwan, Thailand, South Korea, Peru and Indonesia, is that capital controls are necessary to prevent excessive capital inflows, which can be highly inflationary. The International Monetary Fund (IMF), which bailed out a number of smaller countries in 2008, has supported capital controls since February 2010. The dilemma for exporters is that they must seek to control inflation, e.g., by raising interest rates, but must also debase their currencies to maintain their exports. The only other option is to institute capital controls. One of many critics, Brazil’s Finance Minister, Guido Mantega, warned that the US-led currency war “…is turning into a trade war.”

The growing consensus is that inflation in Asia will damage Asian economies before Western countries, which are debasing their currencies, fully recover from the recession that began in 2007. The trade relationship of the US and China is in the eye of the storm and fears of a trade war are growing. Debasing the US dollar reduces the value of China’s US Treasury holdings while China relies on exports to the US, totaling between $200 and $300 billion annually. For exporters, QE2 is a doubly destructive policy since capital inflows are inflationary while exports are reduced due to currency appreciation. The potential effects of a downturn in manufacturing resulting from falling exports, coincident with the bursting of an asset price bubble, is a formula for disaster. As more countries begin to conduct international trade without using US dollars, the world could be split into two camps. For example, talks are taking place between the US and Japan regarding the establishment of trans-Pacific free trade.

Interestingly, QE2 has the potential to “cash out” favored holders of US Treasuries in exchange for US dollars at their current value, i.e., before the US dollar declines further. China, Russia and Brazil are already reducing their US Treasury holdings and could be favored sellers of US Treasuries to the Federal Reserve (through its intermediaries). However, given the size of the US federal deficit, the simplest explanation is that the Federal Reserve is simply funding the US government.

Keeping the Wolfpack at Bay

While it may stimulate US exports and help to create conditions for renewed economic growth in the US (rather than relying mainly on the stimulation of consumer spending), QE2 represents a debasement of the US dollar and suggests that demand for US debt may be weakening. The current facts regarding the US economy do not justify the AAA rating of US sovereign debt. In February 2010, Moody’s publicly warned that it might have to cut the rating on US government debt. The warning was reiterated in December, while American politicians debated tax policy, and surfaced again in January. Until the US economy shows stronger growth, and until the US federal government gets its budget deficit under control, confidence in US sovereign debt and in the US dollar will continue to deteriorate.

US Treasury yields began to rise after the announcement of QE2 and, in December, US Treasuries experienced an unprecedented sell-off causing speculation that the US may become the next target of the so-called wolfpack, comprising short sellers of sovereign debt that are also OTC derivatives (credit default and interest rate swaps) traders. Artificial demand for US Treasuries created by QE2 could potentially head off the shorting of US Treasury bonds to generate credit default and interest rate swap related profits. Short sellers seeking to drive up yields run the risk that the Federal Reserve will step in and buy aggressively to drive yields back down, thus QE2 may preempt the wolfpack. The United States is not immune to such predatory practices might because the notional value of OTC derivatives is currently more than $605 trillion (approximately 10 times world GDP).

Chart courtesy of StockCharts.com

Artificial demand for US Treasuries could hold down bond yields thus supporting an inflationary monetary policy but the Federal Reserve’s own Primary Dealers forecast higher bond yields for 2011. The Federal Reserve’s control over US Treasury bond yields appears to be limited, ironically, as a consequence of currency debasement. Even if US Treasury bond yields rise, however, QE2 might still provide a means of keeping the wolfpack at bay.

Let them Eat Dollars

While QE2 has been generally positive for equities in the short term, the FOMC announcement in November 2010 triggered a sharp rise in commodity prices with gold closing over $1400 and silver closing over $30 at the end of 2010 and with the Commodity Channel Index (CCI) and global food prices at new highs. Rapidly rising global food prices pose an escalating risk of food shortages or worse, particularly in poorer countries, leading analysts to conclude that the world is one poor harvest away from chaos. President of the World Bank, Robert Zoellick, warned that rising food prices are “a threat to global growth and social stability.” Food riots, for example, have already begun to break out in Africa. In the US, consumers and businesses paid an additional $25 billion for gasoline between September 2010 and January 2011 and gasoline prices have continued higher.

Chart courtesy of StockCharts.com

Since the corrosive effects of expanding the money supply in excess of the rate of increase in sustainable economic activity, i.e., inflation, could not so quickly have resulted from QE2, QE2 seems to have damaged global confidence in the US dollar and in US Treasury debt. The January pullback in gold and silver showed that the sharp rise in prices after the announcement of QE2, in November 2010, was in part reactionary. Nonetheless, the strengthening of the US dollar can be largely attributed to the ongoing debt crisis in Europe and the ongoing bull market in commodities and precious metals points to a continuing influx of capital and to a reduced preference for the US dollar and US Treasuries. Had it not been for the revelation of Ireland’s economic troubles along with those of other European countries, the US dollar would certainly have fallen further compared to the Euro towards the end of 2010. What is more important is that the Euro, the US dollar and the Japanese yen have the same fundamental problem in common, which is a combination of high debt levels and economic fundamentals that, in the best case, do not inspire confidence.

Chart courtesy of StockCharts.com

All other things being equal, if the QE2 program were terminated, the US dollar would certainly rally and demand for US debt would certainly strengthen, lowering demand for commodities and precious metals. The termination of QE2 or an announcement of its impending termination is a potential short term risk for investors. Conversely, as QE2 continues indefinitely, the current commodities bull market, which has been amplified by the weakening US dollar, will continue And precious metals prices, which are currently consolidating, will move higher.

The emerging pattern since the announcement of QE2 is bullish for commodities and precious metals. Episodic flights to safety have tended to cause the US dollar to rally, despite poor economic conditions in the US, i.e., in response to economic instability in countries such as Dubai, Greece, Ireland or Spain. The pattern of US dollar-centric flights to safety has begun to break down, suggesting that investors may increasingly favor commodities and precious metals over US dollars and US Treasuries as hedges against inflation and sovereign debt risk.

Diminishing US Credibility

The credibility of the US government and the Federal Reserve is gradually deteriorating. In the worst case, a total collapse of confidence could trigger a race to divest of US Treasuries and to shed US dollars, i.e., a hyperinflationary currency event. The declining US dollar and the diminishing desirability of US debt and of the Federal Reserve bode well for commodities and precious metals while warning away any sane investor from US Treasuries.

In the face of indefinite QE2, it remains unclear (1) when the disintegration of the US dollar’s status as the world reserve currency might accelerate and a new reserve currency will be established, (2) if and when holders of US Treasuries seeking a way out might reach critical mass potentially triggering a proverbial rush to the exits (i.e., a collapse of US Treasuries despite the Federal Reserve’s artificial demand), or (3) if and when a race, whether global or domestic, to shed US dollars in favor of equities, hard assets, alternative currencies, precious metals or other real goods might begin. The first and second processes (removal of the US dollar’s world reserve status and the divestment of US Treasuries) are already under way and the Federal Reserve’s current policies are on track to eventually trigger the third.

Fundamentally, the Federal Reserve cannot prevent rising prices while the US dollar moves lower due to QE2 and due to the US’ deteriorating creditworthiness and credibility, nor can it control the flow of liquidity resulting from its actions or, therefore, resulting asset price bubbles, whether in the US or abroad. In light of the Federal Reserve’s current policies, it seems likely that, in the next 12 months, global economic volatility related to inflation, currency debasement and, potentially, developing currency and trade wars will increase while the financial stability of the US and of the Eurozone countries continues to decline and while commodity and precious metals prices continue to move higher.