Member Issues

Re: Olovetto

Jackson LaRose — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:13:54 GMT

Yeah, bring Olly back! I need a foil, and no one does Libertarian Orthodoxy quite as zealously and militantly as my man, ERO (except maybe Conza, but he isn't nearly as apt to fly off the handle).

Re: Olovetto

ERO_ — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:54:22 GMT

It has been over a month now and I am still banned. Could you guys fix this?

Re: Olovetto

liberty student — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:13:36 GMT

No harm, no foul. Let's just carry on.

Re: Olovetto

assimilateur — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:56:14 GMT

liberty student:
It wasn't sarcastic.

I don't know whether I should be accepting your apology, offering an apology of my own, or treating this as a misunderstanding and moving on. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Re: Olovetto

Angurse — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:48:57 GMT

liberty student:
Which is exactly my point.

Good point.

Re: Olovetto

liberty student — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:44:00 GMT

assimilateur:
I took the liberty of not responding to a sarcastic apology.

It wasn't sarcastic.

Re: Olovetto

liberty student — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:42:37 GMT

Angurse:
That isn't what I suggested though. All rules give special treatment, I don't see how its such a bad thing (unless from the view of no rules).

Which is exactly my point.

Re: Olovetto

assimilateur — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:41:46 GMT

You mean this line?

liberty student:
I think so and I am sorry for any ill will I have caused.

I took the liberty of not responding to a sarcastic apology.

Re: Olovetto

liberty student — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:38:40 GMT

Please go back and read the last line of my last post.

Re: Olovetto

Angurse — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:37:39 GMT

assimilateur:
So when I criticize a certain rule (hypothetically, because it has to be shown that we're dealing with a rule here), you suggest that I want to get rid of all rules; this sort of thing is analogous to someone accusing an anarchist of wanting to get rid of society.

That isn't what I suggested though. All rules give special treatment, I don't see how its such a bad thing (unless from the view of no rules).

Re: Olovetto

assimilateur — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:16:52 GMT

liberty student:
????

What I meant was that I recognize the management's right to run this forum anyway they please. You seemed to imply that I somehow arrogated to myself the right to order moderators or admins what to do, as opposed to merely voice my opinion.

liberty student:
By agreeing to the forum rules by participating, aren't you in fact engaging in a performative contradiction by disagreeing with said rules?

If said rules literally entail agreeing with, as opposed to agreeing to abide by, said rules, then that would indeed be true. I apologize for treating the rules here - or on any other forum - somewhat less than literally and not having memorized them. If you tell me to stop discussing forum policy with you then I will stop.

liberty student:
Admins will do what they do, what I am questioning is why people think that they are performing a service by complaining and questioning, when the most libertarian thing you can do is compete!

Are you saying that the management doesn't want us to provide feedback? I can understand your objection if a user behaves like they run this place, but surely this is not the vibe you should be getting from me.

Re: Olovetto

DanielMuff — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:13:00 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:
Btw, ERO got banned for attacking another member.
I am aware of that, and said so in the very same post you quoted.
That said, having read the reasons for Olovetto's ban, I'm not saying it wasn't justified; way I see it, that thing about threatening to call a poster's wife was so obscenely out of line that these measures are way overdue.

Okay, great.

Re: Olovetto

liberty student — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:02:43 GMT

assimilateur:
I never implied otherwise

assimilateur:
All those things are pretty damn sacrilegious, so banning someone (or even deleting their post) for profaning a hexagram smacks of giving recognized religions in general - or perhaps Judaism in particular - special treatment.

????

assimilateur:
I'm frankly disappointed that you, of all people, would have to respond that way.

I am having a two for one sale on disappointment right now.

assimilateur:
That won't make such rules less ridiculous to some and thus open to criticism, or even less likely to make some of us look for greener pastures.

By agreeing to the forum rules by participating, aren't you in fact engaging in a performative contradiction by disagreeing with said rules? They can't be that egregious if you voluntarily agreed to them, right?

Or do you not see agreeing to the terms of service as binding or serious? Also, I've left many times. If you choose to do so, then go for it. Let 1000 websites bloom.

assimilateur:
That you're seemingly willing to dismiss the questioning of forum policy with what amounts to saying "the admins will do as they please" worries me.

But that is not at all the case. Admins will do what they do, what I am questioning is why people think that they are performing a service by complaining and questioning, when the most libertarian thing you can do is compete! If people are serious about their discontent, then they should put their time and money where their mouth is, because if they aren't willing to pay the costs for what they want, how can anyone price the value of their opinion?

Everyone has an opinion. Neocons have opinions about what LvMI should do too. Same thing with anarcho-syndicalists, democratic socialists, satanists, Buddhists and sexists. One can't make decisions trying to please everyone, and no decision will please everyone. It becomes paralyzing when that is what people expect from organizations and businesses.

assimilateur:
This is probably all semantics anyway.

I think so and I am sorry for any ill will I have caused.

Re: Olovetto

assimilateur — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:02:27 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:
Btw, ERO got banned for attacking another member.

I am aware of that, and said so in the very same post you quoted.

That said, having read the reasons for Olovetto's ban, I'm not saying it wasn't justified; way I see it, that thing about threatening to call a poster's wife was so obscenely out of line that these measures are way overdue.

Re: Olovetto

DanielMuff — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:58:28 GMT

assimilateur:
All those things are pretty damn sacrilegious, so banning someone (or even deleting their post) for profaning a hexagram smacks of giving recognized religions in general - or perhaps Judaism in particular - special treatment.

Fortunately for us mods, that is not why ERO got banned, so, we dodged that bullet. Btw, ERO got banned for attacking another member.