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I think we reached a dead end. Therefore, I suggest we start again, fresh, I propose two questions; 1. How can animals be the in the same group of homesteaded property as rocks and trees? They have very different qualities that deserve attention, for starters, they moved, on their own, away from their...
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Personally, I believe rights come from the ability to be rational. No animal has full rationality, thus they do not have full rights. However, I would argue that they have partial rights, like the right to not be tortured. But that's me...
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I don't think the real issue is whether or not doing something is "ok." The question is do (natural) rights exist? I would say no. If they do exist, do they protect the sleeping man? Observably, not.
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[quote user="wilderness"] 1) I said this somewhere in this thread that animals can have rights, but those rights would have to be defined totally different as to not confuse them with the natural rights of humans. 2) I would only suggest you weigh the application of this reasoning in comparison...
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I think I understand what you're saying about principles and rights, but I don't like the conclusion very much. Maybe I'm just ignorant or closed minded, but I can't accept that it is okay to mutilate an animal for the heck of it, simply because they do not have human rights. Here we...
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[quote user="wilderness"] Can a monkey intellectually apprehend, thus, realize, explain and discuss these principles as we are now? [/quote] Well, obviously no, but neither can a (more than mildly) mentally disabled person, right? I'm thinking back to this again: "I'm not seeing...
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[quote user="wilderness"] [quote user="Ansury"] Public discussion is fine, I think it's still on topic and the more brains involved, the better. It seems the "why" things should or should not have rights is the root of most of the rights controversy, and probably the...