The Mises Community
An online community for fans of Austrian economics and libertarianism, featuring forums, user blogs, and more.

Anarcho-Capitalism deserves its shot

This post has 19 Replies | 6 Followers

Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 687
Points 16,345
Jacob Bloom Posted: Tue, Jul 7 2009 9:19 AM

After talking to the people on this forum about anarcho-capitalism, a subject about which many of you are quite passionate, I've decided that, while I disagree with some of the ideas of anarcho capitalism, I still personally believe anarcho-capitalism, as a system of governance, deserves its fair shot.  However, the decision is not up to me because I don't have the resources or power to institute such a system, but I do think that maybe working together, it would be possible to make some serious steps in the desired direction.  That being said, I'm going to take a leadership model I found in Newt Gingrich's Real Change and post it here and I am sure that with the cooperation of the forum, we can come up with a functional outline for action:

1.  What do you value?

2.  What vision of success do you have for achieving what you value?

3. What metrics would tell you whether you are making progress towards your vision?

4. What strategies would enable you to achieve your vision?

5. What projects would enable you to implement your strategies successfully? (A project is a definable, delegatable achievement)

6. What tasks have to be done well to complete each project?

I look forward to your answers, I will try to think of some of my own. 

 

  • | Post Points: 80
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,465
Points 24,465
Daniel replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 10:02 AM

Jacob Bloom:

After talking to the people on this forum about anarcho-capitalism, a subject about which many of you are quite passionate, I've decided that, while I disagree with some of the ideas of anarcho capitalism, I still personally believe anarcho-capitalism, as a system of governance, deserves its fair shot.  However, the decision is not up to me because I don't have the resources or power to institute such a system, but I do think that maybe working together, it would be possible to make some serious steps in the desired direction.  That being said, I'm going to take a leadership model I found in Newt Gingrich's Real Change and post it here and I am sure that with the cooperation of the forum, we can come up with a functional outline for action:

1.  What do you value?

2.  What vision of success do you have for achieving what you value?

3. What metrics would tell you whether you are making progress towards your vision?

4. What strategies would enable you to achieve your vision?

5. What projects would enable you to implement your strategies successfully? (A project is a definable, delegatable achievement)

6. What tasks have to be done well to complete each project?

I look forward to your answers, I will try to think of some of my own. 

 

You completely disagree with the foundations of anarcho-capitalism. How could you possible ever try it? Lol.

My favorite online shop: www.cafepress.com/libertyphile Big Smile

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 687
Points 16,345

Daniel, I do not "completely disagree" I just remain skeptical about some of the elements of the system.  However, I feel that since none of us really knows for sure whether or not my skepticism is warranted, it is important to try the system out.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  But I won't believe all of it until I see it.

Besides, attacking me personally on this is...unnecessary.  I'm just one man.  This thread is not an attack on any of you, but an attempt at cohesion.  I mean that in the sense that I want to bring the ideas of ancap into an actionable framework. 

Therefore, whether or not I'm totally on board with all the philosophy is irrelevant, because this isn't really about just me.

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 979
Points 15,685
Conza88 replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 11:00 AM

*Yawn*

What? Not going to bother addressing the numerous posts, in the other threads you started - which destroyed your "arguments"?


Toward a Theory of Strategy for Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard

Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty by Murray N. Rothbard

Ending Tyranny Without Violence by Murray N. Rothbard

Libertarians of Will, Intellect, and Action by Murray N. Rothbard

What is to be Done? by Murray N. Rothbard

How America Can Be Saved by Hans Hermann-Hoppe

The Eternal Struggle Between Liberty and Power by Hans Hermann-Hoppe

Strategy: Secession, Privatization, and the Prospects of Liberty
by Hans Hermann-Hoppe

On Resisting Evil by Murray N. Rothbard

Isaiah’s Job by Albert Jay Nock

National Liberation by Murray N. Rothbard

What Must Be Done by Hans Hermann-Hoppe
Sponsored by the Mises Institute and held in Newport Beach, California; January 24-25, 1997. [1:15:58]

How to Advance Liberty by Leonard E. Reed

Stuff We Can Do
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/6493.aspx

Read! ...

Oh wait, never mind...

  • | Post Points: 35
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 740
Points 11,565

Conza88:
Read! ...

Oh wait, never mind...

Ha!!!!

Yeah it gets pretty old, I am just wondering if he has such a low opinion of An-Cap why is he harping on it???

 

It sounds like the ocean, smells like fresh mountain air, and tastes like the union of peanut butter and chocolate. ~Liberty Student

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 75 Contributor
Posts 525
Points 11,410
Sage replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 11:13 AM

Conza88:
What Must Be Done by Hans Hermann-Hoppe
Sponsored by the Mises Institute and held in Newport Beach, California; January 24-25, 1997. [1:15:58]

A transcript of this talk is available here.

LibertarianAnarchy.com - Government is immoral, unnecessary, and doesn't work!

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 572
Points 10,285
I. Ryan replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 11:27 AM

Harry Felker:
Ha!!!!

Yeah it gets pretty old, I am just wondering if he has such a low opinion of An-Cap why is he harping on it???

I believe that the above quoted post is the first one of your posts that I have read that did not include "..." somewhere.

 

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 740
Points 11,565

I. Ryan:
I believe that the above quoted post is the first one of your posts that I have read that did not include "..." somewhere.

Really???

I know there are more... you can always reply with a count on how many you get....

So far

The Count:
One, One post without "..." somewhere

It sounds like the ocean, smells like fresh mountain air, and tastes like the union of peanut butter and chocolate. ~Liberty Student

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 775
Points 15,055
AJ replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 12:28 PM

Haha, guys, we have someone who might be coming around, who is speaking fairly and pretty patiently and all you can do is excoriate him? Let's accept that each person will come to AnCap (or not) by their own path, and Jacob has given us all quite a nice workout in the meantime.

As to the Newt's plan, I do see some value in looking at the problem from an alternative perspective. The big caveat is that anarchy can't really be implemented directly, and it's more of an individual thing. However, I think the thing about metrics of success is important. If we can't quantify progress, we have...well...a calculation problemSurprise

Think outside the monopoly paradigm. Net-based microsecession | Why anarchy hasn't worked

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 200 Contributor
Posts 118
Points 1,795
Nielsio replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 1:30 PM

Jacob Bloom:

I still personally believe anarcho-capitalism, as a system of governance, deserves its fair shot.  However, the decision is not up to me because I don't have the resources or power to institute such a system

 

We're not looking for power or resources, we're looking for an ideological change. If you actually believe in self-ownership, property rights, homesteading, and so forth, then we're quite happy.

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,352
Points 23,910

The point to keep in mind is that anarcho-capitalism will get its shot; and it will get it regardless of whether anybody actually wants it or not.

  • | Post Points: 50
Top 100 Contributor
Posts 295
Points 5,880

Byzantine:

The point to keep in mind is that anarcho-capitalism will get its shot; and it will get it regardless of whether anybody actually wants it or not.

Go historical determinism, go!

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 572
Points 10,285
I. Ryan replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:56 PM

Byzantine:
The point to keep in mind is that anarcho-capitalism will get its shot; and it will get it regardless of whether anybody actually wants it or not.

Why?

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,465
Points 24,465
Daniel replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 3:01 PM

AJ:

Haha, guys, we have someone who might be coming around, who is speaking fairly and pretty patiently and all you can do is excoriate him? ...

I'm going reverse psychology on him. Lol.

Jacob Bloom:

... Besides, attacking me personally on this is...unnecessary.  I'm just one man.  ...

I know, but I couldn't resist the chance to do so. Lol.

My favorite online shop: www.cafepress.com/libertyphile Big Smile

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 75 Contributor
Posts 501
Points 7,375
Moderator

Byzantine:

The point to keep in mind is that anarcho-capitalism will get its shot; and it will get it regardless of whether anybody actually wants it or not.

 This. I think it's going to come as an unholy alliance of queer computer geeks and "greedy" Christians. Or what I would prefer to call them: more gentile and logical folk. :3

"The power of liberty going forward is in decentralization.  Not in leaders, but in decentralized activism.  In a market process." -- liberty student

  • | Post Points: 35
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,352
Points 23,910

I. Ryan:
Why?

Because the State is approaching its terminal phase.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 740
Points 11,565

ladyattis:
 This. I think it's going to come as an unholy alliance of queer computer geeks and "greedy" Christians. Or what I would prefer to call them: more gentile and logical folk. :3

Where the hell do I fit in, I am not a queer comp geek nor any variety of christian....

Damn, left out of the fun again...

Super Angry

It sounds like the ocean, smells like fresh mountain air, and tastes like the union of peanut butter and chocolate. ~Liberty Student

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,352
Points 23,910

ladyattis:
I think it's going to come as an unholy alliance of queer computer geeks and "greedy" Christians

Renegade police and military units will be available for hire once people stop cashing government paychecks and their pension funds collapse.

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 500 Contributor
Male
Posts 108
Points 1,485
Vitor replied on Tue, Jul 7 2009 4:08 PM

Byzantine:

I. Ryan:
Why?

Because the State is approaching its terminal phase.

 

Change "state" for "capitalism" and it will seem quite familiar. ..

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Male
Posts 740
Points 11,565

Vitor:
Change "state" for "capitalism" and it will seem quite familiar. ..

That would require Capitalism to exist in earnest... the state, it exists, and if you forget it, there is a boot to remind you....

It sounds like the ocean, smells like fresh mountain air, and tastes like the union of peanut butter and chocolate. ~Liberty Student

  • | Post Points: 5
Page 1 of 1 (20 items) | RSS

Ludwig von Mises Institute | 518 West Magnolia Avenue | Auburn, Alabama 36832-4528

Phone: 334.321.2100 · Fax: 334.321.2119

contact@Mises.org | webmaster | AOL-IM MainMises

Mises.org sitemap