An interesting concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading
Apparently, David Friedman's son, Patri, is an active proponent of it.
I found this to be pretty funny. I found this to be a little more interesting though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project
I wonder how that will pan out...
I'm very interested to see how far they can take this. If they can get food+water+power self-sufficiently, it might even be viable.
Plus, Peter Thiel (who made PayPal) funded it.
Seems like modified cruise ships would be a better idea.
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Seasteading would be my idea of hell.
The irony is I would be very useful as a seasteader since my speciality is SCADA systems running on Unix which can handle things like power transmission, sewage treatment and water desalinisation.
I doubt a place whose major exports would be migratory bird droppings and sunstroke would be able to afford me anyway.
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bigwig: I'm very interested to see how far they can take this. If they can get food+water+power self-sufficiently, it might even be viable. Plus, Peter Thiel (who made PayPal) funded it.
Peter Thiel is a genius who made a very good and very useful service. With something like this it is good to see some money behind it at least so that people can afford to be rescued when their supply of leather shoes and potable urine runs out.
Food can be bought at least but to get water, one would need desalinisation and that takes alot of power. Power generation for such a small area would be difficult but the ocean is a harsh place filled with wind, sun and waves...all are capable of generating power but are very expensive to set up and to maintain (solar is not very expensive to maintain if the cells are fixed then it is just some Windex and a very well paid window washer). The trick with real wind power is that you have to have a good enough turbine that is not going to create a giant field of static electricity and blow itself up. Siemens PG makes about the best ones there are on the market today. When they spin too fast the excess momentum is transfered to mechanics that do not generate electricity yet they do not halt making electricity (other wind turbines just "go off line" when it gets too windy outside).
Anyway....Thiel probably has the money to do this, but it would probably be more plausible and cheaper in the long run for that money to go towards dismantling the state.
krazy kaju:Seems like modified cruise ships would be a better idea.
Seasteading is actually no different than sailing any old boat. The only difference is relative movement and time.
A person who sails across the ocean is seasteading all along the way -- claiming exclusive ownership of a space. He is just changing the claim (a sequence of abondoning and homesteading new territory) faster than most other people do.
Depending on how you want to look at things, staking a claim on land is a form a "seasteading" through outer space because the Earth is moving around the Sun. There is nothing special about seasteading because you still have to defend your space from invaders.
Charles Anthony:Depending on how you want to look at things, staking a claim on land is a form a "seasteading" through outer space because the Earth is moving around the Sun
Ahhh... Relativity :)
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Apparently Patri Friedman is going to be at the New Hampshire Liberty Forum this March. Anyone going?
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According too Brian Doherty, author of Radicals for Capitalism, the concept of seasteading has been the pipe dream of various nutty libertarians for a long time. http://fora.tv/2007/04/15/Radicals_for_Capitalism (I think he talks about it in this video, not a hundred percent positive though, and don't have the time too watch it again. Still interesting either way)
I also remember seeing an article a year of so ago about how some global warming proponents were looking into it as a way of surviving the upcoming apocalypse.
That would be Dennis Hopper's crew in Waterworld?
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