The Mises Community
An online community for fans of Austrian economics and libertarianism, featuring forums, user blogs, and more.

Why are we not moving to somalia?

rated by 0 users
Answered (Verified) This post has 1 verified answer | 415 Replies | 22 Followers

Top 75 Contributor
368 Posts
Points 7,900
fezwhatley posted on Sat, Oct 4 2008 6:07 PM

if we want a stateless society, why dont a team of private investors and political refugees colonize Somalia

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

  • | Post Points: 285

Answered (Verified) Verified Answer

Top 10 Contributor
Male
5,003 Posts
Points 88,905
Moderator
MVP

Stranger:
But the point is that I love my country. Don't you?

I've traveled a wee bit.  I like my country, but in many ways, it is inferior to others I have been to.  I don't feel I particularly owe it anything in the way of allegiance or loyalty.

I could learn to love a free country, regardless of the climate or geography.  Being free is more important to me than acknowledging my history and the history of my ancestors with a particular state.

@all, I second the Liberty Colony idea.  It's possible that an exodus may at one point be the only option left to us.  The world is certainly not getting less statist.  Things are moving in the wrong direction, and while choosing to stand and fight might be honourable, it's wise to pick the battles you can win.  If you can't beat the state, then change the game.  Plus the entrepreneurial opportunities for a Liberty Colony could be tremendous.

 

Stuff you can do to further libertarianism (please contribute!)

Well, I have my own think tank. .... Someday it will rule the Earth - in an anarchic way. - Roderick Long

  • | Post Points: 70

All Replies

Not Ranked
Male
6 Posts
Points 75

Because it's Africa. You want to live there? Be my guest.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
892 Posts
Points 20,910

fezwhatley:

if we want a stateless society, why dont a team of private investors and political refugees colonize Somalia

Good idea, check this site out   www.libertycolony.com . Just one possible idea.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
892 Posts
Points 20,910

jerrymander:

Because it's Africa. You want to live there? Be my guest.

Are you saying there is no place in Africa that could be a nice place to live? You need to get out more. 

  • | Post Points: 35
Top 10 Contributor
Male
3,880 Posts
Points 67,095
Moderator

Remind me again, why should we? In any case Somalia isn't Anarcho Capitalist really it's run by warlords and as far I know a number of groups are all fighting for control of whatever government the UN wishes to create.

"The relationship between libertarianism and conservatism is one of praxeological compatibility, sociological complementarity, and reciprocal reinforcement"

Professor Hans-Hermann Hoppe

  • | Post Points: 50
Not Ranked
Male
6 Posts
Points 75

No, but there is no place in Africa that would be as nice a place to live as where I live now.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 150 Contributor
Male
203 Posts
Points 3,990

Not to mention radical militant Islam.

Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots

 

If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?

  • | Post Points: 35
Top 10 Contributor
Male
3,880 Posts
Points 67,095
Moderator

Actually if Somalia were politically stable investors would be moving there.

"The relationship between libertarianism and conservatism is one of praxeological compatibility, sociological complementarity, and reciprocal reinforcement"

Professor Hans-Hermann Hoppe

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Male
387 Posts
Points 6,010
Paul replied on Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:03 PM

Umm...Somalia's kind of already colonized, y'know...

μὴ παραχώρει τοῖς κακος ἀλλ' εὐτολμώτερον ἀντιβάδιζε.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 100 Contributor
Male
209 Posts
Points 3,400

Some places you just do not move to unless invited and Somalia is one of them.  It is a clan based, they fight alot and are quite good at fighting and politicking in their own way.

I am sure a bunch of anarcho-capitalists just showing up would be viewed like a child eyes a pinata...figuring out just how and where to hit it so it dispenses with the most goodies.

Since most of the people I have met who advocate some kind of re-settling and homesteading have bank accounts slightly smaller than a church mouse, I am guessing that the Somalis would be dissapointed unless India started buying kidneys again.

http://www.comebackalive.com/phpBB2 Travel, Adventure Travel, Arguments, Recipes.

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 100 Contributor
Male
209 Posts
Points 3,400

Paul:

Umm...Somalia's kind of already colonized, y'know...

 

By Somalis? You think they would notice?

I imagine they would be more than happy to work at the casinos, investment banks, private mints, marijuana farms etc...once the whole sea piracy and civil war starts to get old.

Perhaps Muhammed will cease to be the most popular name there and instead will be replaced by good capitalist names like Royce L. Charger, Duff Z. Penfeld and Addison A. Addison III.

http://www.comebackalive.com/phpBB2 Travel, Adventure Travel, Arguments, Recipes.

  • | Post Points: 20
Not Ranked
Male
6 Posts
Points 75

Twirlcan:

I imagine they would be more than happy to work at the casinos, investment banks, private mints, marijuana farms etc...once the whole sea piracy and civil war starts to get old.

Somalia: The New American Indians

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 100 Contributor
Male
209 Posts
Points 3,400

Speaking of American Indians:

I would rather that Russel Means succeed at secession for his Lakotaland movement (or whatever they call it).  Moving to a newly independant South Dakota would be much better than moving to a place that still has polio and kidnapping is 40% of their GDP (like North Dakota  Somalia)

http://www.comebackalive.com/phpBB2 Travel, Adventure Travel, Arguments, Recipes.

  • | Post Points: 50
Top 25 Contributor
858 Posts
Points 15,005

Twirlcan:

Speaking of American Indians:

I would rather that Russel Means succeed at secession for his Lakotaland movement (or whatever they call it).  Moving to a newly independant South Dakota would be much better than moving to a place that still has polio and kidnapping is 40% of their GDP (like North Dakota  Somalia)

I'm guessing you've never been to North Dakota...

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 500 Contributor
64 Posts
Points 920
Suggested by Telpeurion

Interesting. Does anyone have a good link to explain the current political/econ situation there?

  • | Post Points: 5
Page 1 of 28 (416 items) 1 2 3 4 5 Next > ... Last » | RSS

Ludwig von Mises Institute | 518 West Magnolia Avenue | Auburn, Alabama 36832-4528

Phone: 334.321.2100 · Fax: 334.321.2119

contact@Mises.org | webmaster | AOL-IM MainMises

Mises.org sitemap