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what separates the austrians from other schools

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The Texas Trigger posted on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:42 PM

sent this to a friend who is getting interested in the austrian school.

I am pretty sure it correct, but i was hoping some of you could critique it for validity but also for better ways of saying it/ more clear ways of communicating it. here is what I wrote.

 

The chief distinction between the Austrian school of economics and every other school (Chicago, Marx, Keynes, etc.) is that you cannot implement Austrian economic theory, at least not in any deliberate sense, in the same way you can and (and according to other schools) you must implement their theories. The Austrian economic theory could only be said to be implemented indirectly by consumers and producers cooperatively. Other theory's are implemented by economists and/or bureaucrats. In other words, the Austrian may give advise to you about what to produce or speculate, but he will admit he is also only speculating. He does not know, or claim to know, what producers and consumers preferences are. Other schools are not so humble. They claim to know these things (in fact, their very theories' validity hinges upon their knowing these things), though perhaps implicitly.

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IIRC, Mises was all about economics being viewed as a value-free science. So instead of saying that minimum wage laws are good or bad for the economy or various individuals within it, a value-free economist would just state the effects of minimum wage laws and let others figure out whether they consider those effects to be good or bad.

That and the methodology is quite different, but I think you already knew that part.

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That's an odd way of describing it... @OP

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a value-free economist would just state the effects of minimum wage laws and let others figure out whether they consider those effects to be good or bad.

I have heard thomas woods explain it by saying that "Austrian economics is purely descriptive, rather than prescriptive." Implying that other schools are prescriptive or, worst, reactive.

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That and the methodology is quite different, but I think you already knew that part.

Yeah...I guess I am asking something different. Lets just say someone put you to the task of identifying the single most important differentiator of the austrian school vs other schools. While there may be many, what would you say is the most important or all-ecoompassing, over-arching, differentiator?

 
@Wheylous...How would you improve it/ make it less funny?
 
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Yeah...I guess I am asking something different. Lets just say someone put you to the task of identifying the single most important differentiator of the austrian school vs other schools. While there may be many, what would you say is the most important or all-ecoompassing, over-arching, differentiator?

Well, I think the methodology is one of the most important differences, and it's not like Austrians disavow any kind of statistics, they just know that statistics don't predict the future because of a lack of a causal understanding. And the way you put it, "descriptive versus prescriptive", that seems to be other difference.

I think those are just the most important differences. It seems that the rest of the differences stem from those two.

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Wheylous...How would you improve it/ make it less funny?

I was thinking the same thing when I read OP, but I'm not sure how I would improve it.  I would probably just go a completely different route and explain the methodology and then how that extrapolates into the main tenets.

Some good resources for this are found here.

In particular, I would look at:

Austrian Economics Is ‘Unscientific’

Austrian Economists Called ‘Unscientific’

"To Be an Austrian: A Primer"

Understanding "Austrian" Economics

A Primer on Austrian Economics

And Chicago School vs. Austrian School might help as well.

 

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EDIT: I see the other posters have this one.

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Esuric replied on Tue, Sep 4 2012 12:17 AM

These not are not the principled differences between the Austrian school and other economic schools of thought.

The Austrians focus on the subjectivity of all economic phenomena (including those that are considered to be objective by other schools), the use of knowledge in society, the role of the entrepreneur in the organization and accumulation of capital, the element of time in economic calculation/coordination, the acknowledgement of radical uncertainty and the understanding that preferences are ordinal rankings and therefore are not subject to 'calculations' (as is commonly understood by mathematicians and mainstream economists).

The focus on method is often largely over-stated by a select sect of Austrians and is unnecessary.

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The focus on method is often largely over-stated by a select sect of Austrians and is unnecessary.

Only if taken to the extreme of asserting that there is one right way to do science (or economics); the harping on methodology is perfectly understandable given the century-long assault on the use of synthetic a priori knowledge in science. But yes, it does get pompous whenever an Austrian says something to the effect that there is one right way to do economic science (implied: and that's what we're doing). I can't think of any cites off the top of my head but I have stumbled across this kind of thing once or twice.

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Esuric:
The Austrians focus on the subjectivity of all economic phenomena

Esuric, good responses. Look I understand all of the differences. I am not asking what the differences are. Again, I am asking you all, if you had to sum up the austrian differentiator in a maximum of two (perhaps run-on sentences), as I did, what would it be? Would you agree with the one I put forward, or would you choose a different way of saying it, or would you choose a different differentiator all together? 

I guess the application would be for when you meet someone who has never heard of the school, knows nothing about it, and this is your starting paragraph (sentence), your main thesis, your beginning, your introduction, what would those sentences say. Really I am just more interested to know...I don't really believe there is really a right answer (so long as you are actually stating a legitimate difference). I chose to go the route that austrians are the only economists who do not claim to know how to run the market (the closest thing you will hear is "let the market run itself"). They are the most humble. 

Anyway, Thanks 

 

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I guess the application would be for when you meet someone who has never heard of the school, knows nothing about it, and this is your starting paragraph (sentence), your main thesis, your beginning, your introduction, what would those sentences say.

The bottom line: AE claims that a free market increases everyones standard of living, and that any govt interference in the free market reduces the standard of living. AE has proofs of this both in general, and for all the particular cases, such as Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Minimum Wage Laws, FDR's treatment of the Great Depression, etc. In particular, govt control of the money supply, especially its constant printing of paper or digitlal money, aka quantitative easing, is disastrous for an economy, and the cause of all the recessions and depressions a country suffers.

In addition, AE claims that spending is not what makes an economy grow, but increased productivity does. Thus all efforts to increase spending to "stimulate the economy" are at best pointless, and in fact harmful.

On the more technical side, AE rejects the notion that complicated equations, the pride of mainstream economists, can really predict anything. It claims, and has the track record to prove it, that the way to study economics is by logical thinking, deducing its theorems from first principles.

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