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banned Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008 1:44 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gG3HPX0D2mU

This is pretty awesome

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That is really awesome.  Thank you!

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Wow, this really brightened my day.  I'm still not clear on where Semco would fall under (I suppose anarcho-capitalism), but the fact that something that different is being attempted (with concrete results, to boot) is just great.  I hope there are more related videos floating around. 

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BinaryT replied on Thu, Jul 17 2008 8:53 AM

If this is what they can do under the current government, thinking about how society would work without it brings tears of joy to my eyes...

Thanks a lot for the link! :)

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krazy kaju replied on Thu, Jul 17 2008 10:02 AM

I dunno why all you guys are so happy about it. The fact that some anarcho-syndicalist somewhere is having a wet dream about this is enough to make me pissed this is happening.

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They think this is somehow counter capitalism, but in the end it's just another business model on the market, so syndicalists shouldn't be too excited. They're keen on excluding worker ownership under free markets, arbitrarily, like pretty much everything else socialists do. This isn't syndicalism though - it retains private property, to begin with, and all the features of markets. It's just widely dispersed ownership of a firm. The guy also makes good points on education.

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krazy kaju replied on Thu, Jul 17 2008 10:32 AM

I understand this is still private property and is perfectly compatible with capitalism, it just makes me sick that somewhere, some syndicalist or wob is just loving this.

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Nitroadict replied on Thu, Jul 17 2008 10:40 AM

krazy kaju:

I understand this is still private property and is perfectly compatible with capitalism, it just makes me sick that somewhere, some syndicalist or wob is just loving this.



I understand what you mean, actually; syndicalist's would interpret this as an affirmation that they are correct, when in reality, it's just another model that is competing in the marketplace. 

It could be said Liberals would view this same situation sympathetically, but see it is as merley another reason for regulation as the company itself seems too "unstable" based upon the real life forces of the workers being (rightfully) pressured by the market to keep up the pace & motivation in order to compete.

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I think it is great because it challenges people to question why they have bosses, or why they tolerate lazy and ineffective coworkers.

It's a great video.  It deserves some promotion.

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jmw replied on Thu, Jul 17 2008 4:51 PM

..spontaneous order in action...this isthe market reaction to the stagnant, oversized corporation.

 

thanks for sharing!

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solos replied on Fri, Jul 18 2008 5:38 AM

It seems the only thing that the union has done has gotten comics printed. The way the worker is paid takes away from collective bargaining cause. It doens't make sense to pay someone to supervise to make sure someone is doing their job. If they aren't, then they would be fired. The way the workers are kept in check reminds me of Heinlein's cell structure in "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress".

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I saw this video a while back and found it very interesting, especially the ideas the guy had about schooling (all the damage is done, he says, around 2).  But I would certainly hesitate in making any statements about the ideology of a business model.  It might be superior, and it's certainly a neat idea, but a business is a business.  It's only as 'anarcho-capitalist' as the pot dealers around here.  Given the prevelance of voluntary relationships, almost any business or society is 'anarchic' in that it suffers but does not invite or utilize government intervention.

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