Shootings

There has been a string of high-profile MVPS (Multiple Victim Public Shooting) shootings in the news lately. I want to note some things to keep in mind in general on the issue of MVPS:

a) Shootings can be staged in a variety of ways. One way is to prod mentally unstable and mentally impaired individuals to act out ideas planted by agents (as in the attempted Portland "bombing"). A similar way is to lure a patsy into attempting to commit a crime at the same time and place as a real operation is occurring. This could have been what happened with the JFK assassination and was almost certainly what happened with MLK Jr's assassination. A patsy is lured to be in the same vicinity at the same time as a planned assassination by a real professional. The possibilities are limited only by the imagination and opportunity.

b) The statistics of MVPS incidents across multiple countries shows that MVPS account for an almost infinitesimal fraction of gun crime, let alone deaths due to crime generally. Their importance is solely a function of the hold they take of the public imagination. Furthermore, the rate of MVPS incidents is highly insensitive to gun laws; to the extent that MVPS incidents are not staged, they are a function of severe mental instability not laws (a mentally unstable individual can be completely unconcerned about the long-run consequences of his behavior to himself and to others).

c) The political left in the US has been following a sophisticated strategy for decades to attempt to get around the pesky 2nd-amendment:

1. Amplify MVPS incidents in the media - Waco takes the gold medal for this

2. Outlaw gun rights "in the margins"; if you are convicted of almost any crime, you will lose your gun rights, for life. Even if you are hit with a restraining order in some states, you can lose your right to own guns for life. Mental health issues? No guns for you. And so on.

3. Attempt to build a Kyoto-protocol for guns; an international gun ban which Americans would have to be "ashamed" not to join. This has the happy benefit that a treaty nullifies an amendment so all that has to be done, politically, is get Congress to agree to sign onto this "must-sign" international treaty.

4. Infiltrate pro-2nd amendment political action groups. The NRA is to gun rights what the ACLU is to civil rights - an empty shell of an excuse for popular rights advocacy. The much-advertised fact that the NRA is the "last line of defense" for 2nd amendment rights is all the more reason the State in cooperation with the political left to infiltrate it.

5) Create a legal minefield around gun ownership. There are so many ways to unwittingly break the law just merely by owning a firearm that doesn't comply with this or that regulation. Many of these violations are felonious. The Randy Weaver incident is illustrative of this strategy. By making a public example of Weaver, the Feds demonstrated just how dangerous it is to own a firearm, thus deterring many people who otherwise might have purchased a firearm for home or self-defense. The fewer gun owners there are, the easier it is to find a political solution to the problem of popular gun ownership.

Anyway, these are just some things to generally keep in mind as we will likely continue to see these shootings over the next four years of Obama's reign.

Clayton -

Deledefs!

Yeah, the shooting must be tide to some TPTB plan for an eventual all-out world war. If the population isgunless, then once the population perceives the threat of a foreign invasion (a la Red Dawn), then the population will want to naturally defend itself. Of course, the only place with guns will be military. It's a clever way to get people to die for TPTB.

I can totally see it being a WWII all over again. There's a great depression (after the inevitable economic collapse) and one way for the poor to survive economically will be to go off and fight for their country. Don't forget to mix that with some propaganda about the Chinese this and that.

China will eventually become the what the USA became. That is, it will win the war and be the superpower that the USA is today, but incredibly more economically sound. After all, they are liberalizing.

That TPTB wouldn't want to give up the USA or even Europe and let them become wasteland is ridiculous. Europe became a wasteland during WWII. Also, they made what North America is today (after clearing out the Indians); so, they're not stuck in North America any more than they are stuck in Europe. Why not make China what it can be by liberalizing it?

One question I have, though, is do European/American TPTB the have more power over the Asian TPTB or vice versa? If the global TPTB are ancaps with regards to each, as Clayton points out, then I can definitely believe Asian TPTB having the power. The European/American TPTB owe the Asian TPTB lots of money and they are trying to pay the Asian TPTB by gradually giving it North America.

 

Malachi:

Deledefs!

 

I can haz definition?

Democratically legitimated defrauders. I just posted that because I wanted to delete my post, because it wasnt really on topic, and deleted posts can still be viewed. So I edited and replaced with one word and I'm afraid I've derailed tHe thread anyway. I must be the worst forums memebr ever.

Clayton got an email with your original post; so, it still exists, unless he disabled that option.

Have you ever read The Politics of Serial Murder by David McGowan? It seems like it's up your alley and I wouldn't mind you giving your own 2c on the subject if you have.

I don't want to make it seem like im belittling this tragedy but only about 19 people have died from these two tragedies, out of a population of about 311,800,000. The liberals were howling when the Bush adminstration infringed on civil liberties after 9/11 which killed much more people (although still really small), now they're trying to do something similar.