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Individualist Posted: Tue, Oct 20 2009 6:17 PM

To those who are for

How would the schools that are primarily funded by vouchers be any different from public schools? Why would vouchers be more acceptable to voters/legislators than tax credits or the abolishment of government-favoring of education?

To those who are against

Wouldn't school vouchers be an improvement, no matter how small, over the normal situation of taxed resources only being used to fund public schools?

I hear about increased government control. Well, wouldn't there be increased government oversight of private education if tax credits were given instead?

I hear that the schools that do not accept the vouchers and, therefore, increased government oversight will be at a competitive disadvantage. Well, aren't you arguing against the parent(s)' choice of school? If they don't want increased government oversight, can't they do what they're doing now?

"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under."  - H. L. Mencken

 

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poppies replied on Wed, Oct 21 2009 2:13 AM

I think vouchers and educational tax credits are both a distraction from the primary problem.  Compulsory education implies the state has a certain justified degree of ownership claim on all people under 18 within its borders.  This egregious state of affairs doesn't disappear under a voucher/credit system.

The lack of price signals within education stems primarily from compulsory education laws.  There is an artificial demand for educational services maintained at gunpoint which allows even the most incompetent of institutions to gain a base level of clientele.  

Vouchers and credits, even if means-tested, would simply first raise private tuitions and later property taxes, maintaining the current mix at a much more expensive nominal level.  Worse still, state claims on educational interest would expand in reach.

Porter's five forces are a good broad checklist for whether a true free market exists in any given set of interactions.  In this case, buyer power is severely undermined by the lack of the ultimate bargaining chip: fully opting-out.  Homeschooling can go a long way toward rectifying the issue, but many parents feel ill-equipped to meet the educational demands of the state.  Those who homeschool must go through many bureaucratic hoops which serve as deterrents, encouraging many unsatisfied clients to simply put up with poor service in order to meet compulsory education requirements.

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Snowflake replied on Wed, Oct 21 2009 7:32 AM

Individualist:

Wouldn't school vouchers be an improvement, no matter how small, over the normal situation of taxed resources only being used to fund public schools?

I hear about increased government control. Well, wouldn't there be increased government oversight of private education if tax credits were given instead?

I hear that the school that do not accept the vouchers and, therefore, increased government oversight will be at a competitive disadvantage. Well, aren't you arguing against the parent's choice of school? If they don't want increased government oversight, can't they do what they're doing now?

Surprise

My goodness. See this is what socialists actually advocate. Socialist theory is based on a redistribution of wealth rather than nanny-government to control your life. No one in the mainstream is a socialist; they are little children.

 

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Bogart replied on Wed, Oct 21 2009 12:07 PM

My view is that forcing people to fund the educations of others is immoral and economically awful.  Vouchers will only make this situation worse.  The problem in education is the lack of a pricing system for consumers of education, children and parents.  Austrian Economics holds that the production of goods is determined through the pricing system.  Any systems whose consumers do not see a pricing mechanism and have limited ability to descriminate is bound to provide substandard products at too high of a cost.

The same is true for the system of financing health care as well.

The way out of these messes is the impossible solution.  That is stop forcing people to fund the delivery of these services to others.  The people demanding these services will choose the suppliers offering the best combination of price and quality.  The suppliers who do not offer consumer demanded combinations of price and quality will cease business.  Of course this system would not be viable with the current barriers to entry provided by the government through licensing.  If you remove licensing requirements then you would allow competitors to enter these markets and drive down the prices.

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