Democracy for Breakfast:Well thats nice and all, but how many people would have the motivation to do that?
I don't know how many?
Democracy for Breakfast:Also, employers won't look at you if you tell them your education is from the internet.
But they will if you tell them it is from experience.
Democracy for Breakfast:Masters of Liberal Arts
Certificate. Expensive certificate.
Democracy for Breakfast:College is very important
Subjective.
Democracy for Breakfast:Being a member of Mises doesn't mean you get to feel like an elitist and that you are above schooling just because you may have way different beliefs then other people do.
Careful. I have not made such a claim.
Democracy for Breakfast:You can't learn a language as well as you could from a paid institution, and I think learning a language is highly important to enhancing your awareness of other cultures.
I learned a language with my ears and eyes, in fact I learned two this way. No institution.
I don't value most institution's at their current prices. That is all. Cheers
"...The post-totalitarian system contrives to force life into its most probable states...This system serves people only to the extent necessary to ensure that people will serve it
Vaclav Havel
Democracy for Breakfast:In High School teachers held your hand through what you should learn and consider, but in College your all on your own and its up to you to make the best and most productive of your education.
Have you been to college? The college I went to was just as dull and boring as high school. The professors taught just the one side of all the issues, their side. There was next to no discussion in the classes. I just had to parrot back what they taught me. That is not "learning", imo. That is memorization.
At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.
Saan: Democracy for Breakfast:You can't learn a language as well as you could from a paid institution, and I think learning a language is highly important to enhancing your awareness of other cultures. I learned a language with my ears and eyes, in fact I learned two this way. No institution.
Learning a language from an institution is perhaps the worst way. I also learned with my eyes and ears. I speak far better then folks who have spent a decade more then me in school learning the same lang.
Saan:I don't value most institution's at their current prices. That is all. Cheers
Outstanding statement. The price of education right now far exceeds its true value IMO. I also think tuition prices have ballooned in the exact same manner as houses. The problem is education isn't tied to a tangible investment object, like a house. So it's continued growth is due to cultural degeneration which continues to encourage people into these ridiculous institutions. That is ofocarse my opinion.
Statism is a religion.
Spideynw: Democracy for Breakfast:In High School teachers held your hand through what you should learn and consider, but in College your all on your own and its up to you to make the best and most productive of your education. Have you been to college? The college I went to was just as dull and boring as high school. The professors taught just the one side of all the issues, their side. There was next to no discussion in the classes. I just had to parrot back what they taught me. That is not "learning", imo. That is memorization.
Yes, I go to a four year college currently. Have you been to a college? That sounds like your typical first year experience, which isn't very exciting since they're teaching most of the basics.
And it depends on the College you went to, your statement is very surprising, maybe you just went to a shitty school or a 2 year Community College.
filc: Saan: Democracy for Breakfast:You can't learn a language as well as you could from a paid institution, and I think learning a language is highly important to enhancing your awareness of other cultures. I learned a language with my ears and eyes, in fact I learned two this way. No institution. Learning a language from an institution is perhaps the worst way. I also learned with my eyes and ears. I speak far better then folks who have spent a decade more then me in school learning the same lang. Saan:I don't value most institution's at their current prices. That is all. Cheers Outstanding statement. The price of education right now far exceeds its true value IMO. I also think tuition prices have ballooned in the exact same manner as houses. The problem is education isn't tied to a tangible investment object, like a house. So it's continued growth is due to cultural degeneration which continues to encourage people into these ridiculous institutions. That is ofocarse my opinion.
Don't expect to get a language down from just a college course. Learning a language effectively requires having some cultural connection to it. this would involve travelling, clubs, humanitarianism, going to school in another country, ect.
Most students I know who are majoring in a language have done such, and its much easier for them to travel with student vistas.
Democracy for Breakfast: Don't expect to get a language down from just a college course. Learning a language effectively requires having some cultural connection to it. this would involve travelling, clubs, humanitarianism, going to school in another country, ect. Most students I know who are majoring in a language have done such, and its much easier for them to travel with student vistas.
In my case I just skipped the school part and went straight for the cultural, traveling, clubbing, humanitarianism aspect of it. :)
I do have a 4year BS though. it's just an engineering degree.
Capital Pumper: To say that school is a government indoctrination center is a generalization. Most of the classes are purely objective, such as science and math. Government indoctrination in U.S.S.R schools was minimal, since most of what they taught (far more proficiently than any North American or European school today) were the sciences.
imagine if they had public schools in copernicus's day -we should all be drawing epicycles now! I believe that the teaching of science and objective classes are just as liable to becoming propaganda as anything in history or political science. In my opinion too, the math and science being taught at school is generally not going to be cutting edge specialized stuff -in math I don't think that mathematicians calculate logs by hand or that they think about the pythagorean theorem all that much and in science people already seem to be improving on natural selection theory and aren't too fussy about calculating the punett square.
Capital Pumper: 3. Children should not have a choice in the matter, since they are at a age where they don't know what's best for them. If it weren't for their parent's use of coercion, the children would play video games all day; subsequently ruining their own future.
3. Children should not have a choice in the matter, since they are at a age where they don't know what's best for them. If it weren't for their parent's use of coercion, the children would play video games all day; subsequently ruining their own future.
wouldn't that just mean other countries would begin specializing in making our food, dress, capital, etc. and we would specialize in videogame reviews and such? That would be the perfect life!
filc: Democracy for Breakfast: Don't expect to get a language down from just a college course. Learning a language effectively requires having some cultural connection to it. this would involve travelling, clubs, humanitarianism, going to school in another country, ect. Most students I know who are majoring in a language have done such, and its much easier for them to travel with student vistas. In my case I just skipped the school part and went straight for the cultural, traveling, clubbing, humanitarianism aspect of it. :) I do have a 4year BS though. it's just an engineering degree.
Sure if your wealthy enough to have the funds to do all that, which you don't need at a University student vista.
Democracy for Breakfast:Sure if your wealthy enough to have the funds to do all that, which you don't need at a University student vista.
I'm pretty sure a college tuition is at least 10 times greater then a trip to Honduras. :)
fakename: Capital Pumper: To say that school is a government indoctrination center is a generalization. Most of the classes are purely objective, such as science and math. Government indoctrination in U.S.S.R schools was minimal, since most of what they taught (far more proficiently than any North American or European school today) were the sciences. imagine if they had public schools in copernicus's day -we should all be drawing epicycles now! I believe that the teaching of science and objective classes are just as liable to becoming propaganda as anything in history or political science. In my opinion too, the math and science being taught at school is generally not going to be cutting edge specialized stuff -in math I don't think that mathematicians calculate logs by hand or that they think about the pythagorean theorem all that much and in science people already seem to be improving on natural selection theory and aren't too fussy about calculating the punett square. Capital Pumper: 3. Children should not have a choice in the matter, since they are at a age where they don't know what's best for them. If it weren't for their parent's use of coercion, the children would play video games all day; subsequently ruining their own future. wouldn't that just mean other countries would begin specializing in making our food, dress, capital, etc. and we would specialize in videogame reviews and such? That would be the perfect life!
Children are generally not motivated enough, or have the will to make decisions for their own. Children don't enjoy going to school everyday. I have experience with Children when I've had students to learn Piano. Most of the child students I had never practiced, because they didn't have the motivation to learn themselves, and don't see why they should.
Being a kid is frustrating though, especially a teenager when you start to develop your own identity and it feels overbearing to have your parents on your back.
Its important to limit the amount of media a child is exposed to. I agree that I would have missed out on a lot if I didn't get to grow up watching Toonami. It would depend on the program, if its something like an anime series, or a TV series that follows a storyline and eventually ends I would let him watch it. I however will be skeptical on how my kid is being indocterinated by the media.
I am in favor of Student Voucher's however. If kids have little say in the matter, then its up to the parents to make good decisions for them. I believe in self ownership and individualism, so I would therefore send my child to a Montessori School.
The argument that parents, or anyone, need to make decisions for children for their own good due to a knowledge gap is abused to absurdity by nearly everyone. It applies only when you can demonstrably succeed at meeting goals with actions and have the same goals as the child. Imposing goals is serving your own good, not serving his.
Caley McKibbin: The argument that parents, or anyone, need to make decisions for children for their own good due to a knowledge gap is abused to absurdity by nearly everyone. It applies only when you can demonstrably succeed at meeting goals with actions and have the same goals as the child. Imposing goals is serving your own good, not serving his.
People who possess the "impose yourself on children" mindset I have found to be quite nasty. Their ends are to force obedience and delusions onto children. All that follows is failure and optimum frustration for our ivory tower villains; however, this is where the real fun begins. Such a person does not self-reflect, and instead resorts to scapegoating; subsequently attempting to demoralize his/her target child by exploiting his/her weaknesses (mental, emotional, or material).
Capital Pumper:People who possess the "impose yourself on children" mindset I have found to be quite nasty. Their ends are to force obedience and delusions onto children. All that follows is failure and optimum frustration for our ivory-tower villains; however, this is where the real fun begins. Such a person does not self-reflect, and instead resorts to scapegoating; subsequently attempting demoralize his/her target child by exploiting his/her weaknesses (mental, emotional, or material).
In my analysis this is quite true and the sad thing is that most people who do it will pride themselves on the good qualities of their children though these qualities are just shallow displays or wouldn't have been there had the child already had some attraction towards such qualities already. It is the same with adults too.
fakename: Capital Pumper:People who possess the "impose yourself on children" mindset I have found to be quite nasty. Their ends are to force obedience and delusions onto children. All that follows is failure and optimum frustration for our ivory-tower villains; however, this is where the real fun begins. Such a person does not self-reflect, and instead resorts to scapegoating; subsequently attempting demoralize his/her target child by exploiting his/her weaknesses (mental, emotional, or material). In my analysis this is quite true and the sad thing is that most people who do it will pride themselves on the good qualities of their children though these qualities are just shallow displays or wouldn't have been there had the child already had some attraction towards such qualities already. It is the same with adults too.
Well, its hard. Because if you tell your kid how smart they are, it could turn out to be like Ender's Game where he is isolated, rejected, and makes a lot of enemies for being top of the class.
Democracy for Breakfast:Children are generally not motivated enough, or have the will to make decisions for their own. Children don't enjoy going to school everyday. I have experience with Children when I've had students to learn Piano. Most of the child students I had never practiced, because they didn't have the motivation to learn themselves, and don't see why they should.
BULL. I have a 7-year old and I've never met an adult in my life as curious about the world and eager to learn as she is. Almost any topic we discuss leads to her wanting to know more about it. She will also cry (a lot) if I tell her she can't go to school that day.
The problem is that most people don't teach their children HOW to learn. If a child knows how to teach itself a new topic by research and analysis, they can learn almost any subject. In fact I would even say they could MASTER almost any subject.
MatthewF: BULL. I have a 7-year old and I've never met an adult in my life as curious about the world and eager to learn as she is. Almost any topic we discuss leads to her wanting to know more about it. She will also cry (a lot) if I tell her she can't go to school that day. The problem is that most people don't teach their children HOW to learn. If a child knows how to teach itself a new topic by research and analysis, they can learn almost any subject. In fact I would even say they could MASTER almost any subject.
QFT
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
You'll have to help me out (I went to public school).
QFT?
However, I do know how to use Google...
QuotedForTruth
MatthewF: Democracy for Breakfast:Children are generally not motivated enough, or have the will to make decisions for their own. Children don't enjoy going to school everyday. I have experience with Children when I've had students to learn Piano. Most of the child students I had never practiced, because they didn't have the motivation to learn themselves, and don't see why they should. BULL. I have a 7-year old and I've never met an adult in my life as curious about the world and eager to learn as she is. Almost any topic we discuss leads to her wanting to know more about it. She will also cry (a lot) if I tell her she can't go to school that day. The problem is that most people don't teach their children HOW to learn. If a child knows how to teach itself a new topic by research and analysis, they can learn almost any subject. In fact I would even say they could MASTER almost any subject.
Thats subjective. When I was that age, I loathed going to school. It wasn't really until I became a teenager in high school that I became super curious about subjects.
I just wanted to play video games at that age.
However this is in part due to a few reasons. I went to a shitty school in a low income town in Tennessee, where the education wasn't very good and the teachers drove me crazy. At age 12-14 my two years in Middle School, I was going to attempt suicide many times because of how much it stressed me out. Teacher's getting into my personal life, and getting up in your face and screaming at you for a little misbehaving in class. One incident that made me want to call it quits, was when the the councilor, a couple teachers, and my parents got together and put me through a therapy program where I literally had no choice to oblige to, afterwards I got put on medication that I never asked for just so that I could "learn".
I didn't see a point to anything I was learning, because I always felt like it was to prepare me for a "test" where you fill in bubbles, which it is.
The point is, a child is too young to see his/her education's worth on a grand scale, and generally ends up neglecting school. I cared more about Video Games, Power Rangers, and the Sci Fi books I was reading at the time then learning about math and numbers, and being picked on by teachers if I REALLY did not understand it.
Also, another thing that really killed it for me, is that your say in public schooling as to what you want to learn doesn't seem to really matter, they "FORCE" you of what to write an essay about, or what to be interested in.
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