Economics Questions

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

JonBostwick — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:32:54 GMT

Cesar:
I think it is ok to share the cost of healthcare and education among all.

Why do you bother coming here if you're unwilling to read the replies people make to you?

Theft is theft, regardless of motives.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Laughing Man — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:04:54 GMT

"I dont know. I think they believe without govt all their problems are solved because everything else is market.

Market is not the answer. It is only part of the answer. To make it better it has be less restrained, just laws, and no central bankers. But it is only part of the solution not the answer itselft................far from it."

I was talking about you. Really the government is the source of many problems that people experience today.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

JParker — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:03:09 GMT

You know, I like that people who are uneducated about AE find this site and ask questions. After all, at one time we all were in those shoes. But when the answer is given, why do so many insist on ignoring it? Of course we are speaking of philosophy, because it is philosophy that determines world view, and thus, the 'real world'. Sadly I feel that all the effort so many people have put into these posts has been a waste of time, Cesar has been indoctrinated by the system. Its so funny that these people chose to ignore the elephant in the room, refusing to believe that something so simple can be the answer. In nature, the simple answer is most always the correct one. AE and our philosophy demonstrates this, though Cesar will never get it.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

eliotn — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:14:08 GMT

Cesar:
Can you name Universities that circulates these books??? Offer degrees in Austrian Economics and stuff like that???

If you want to get Man, Economy, and State, use the search function on this website. It is a long .pdf file.

I also found a copy through the library.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Jon Irenicus — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:18 GMT

Down here in Miami we have good Universities. I have never heard of anything even close to Austria.

Because it's not exactly something that curries favour with establishment academics, whose paycheck comes from... guess what.

Look man....dont get me wrong, so far I love this guy Mises, but I am tired of philosophy. I found about Austrian Economics because I knew something was wrong about our Monetary system. To me it was fraud and casino business, I just needed back up

Then steer clear of Austrian economics. We like our philosophy and take it seriously, from methodological concerns, down to ethical questions which preoccupy political theorists amongst us

As you can see it was real Economics that brought me to Austrian Economics. And when I am done readin Human Action and the other books I already bought I will only record in my brain REAL stuff like I have done so far, not philosophy.

This is "real" stuff. It just isn't stuff you like hearing.

Would you have the guts to tell a dying person that free market is at work and free market trough supply/demand are sending him to his grave???

Why should I? What "free market" is doing that? The non-existent one? The hampered one? No. I'd tell him to thank the government for it. In an actual free market, I'd tell him to get voluntary aid, like the Friendlies I mentioned. Would you have the guts to enslave me to the needs of various nondescript individuals, forging obligations to others I owe nothing to? Apparently yes. BTW, these are very philosophical questions. Funny, because you want none of that.

Would you even tell yourselve that. ???

That no one is my slave and nothing is my due (other than to be left alone) by nature? Yes.

They can bill me

Good.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

katja328 — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:24:58 GMT

Cesar:

And when I am done readin Human Action

maybe we'll have more reasonable discussions with you.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

ladyattis — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:21:24 GMT

Cesar:
Would you have the guts to tell a dying person that free market is at work and free market trough supply/demand are sending him to his grave???

Would you tell a dying man that is he doing so because of his sedentary choices? If so, how is that any different than telling a non-dying man that his business went under because of lack of foresight? It may seem cruel, but truth is truth and holding back the truth is a terrible crime. Also, all economic transactions come at cost of Nature as nothing is a free lunch. TANSTAAFL isn't an opinion, Cesar, in any economic system.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Cesar — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:16:36 GMT

Down here in Miami we have good Universities. I have never heard of anything even close to Austria.

Look man....dont get me wrong, so far I love this guy Mises, but I am tired of philosophy. I found about Austrian Economics because I knew something was wrong about our Monetary system. To me it was fraud and casino business, I just needed back up.

As you can see it was real Economics that brought me to Austrian Economics. And when I am done readin Human Action and the other books I already bought I will only record in my brain REAL stuff like I have done so far, not philosophy.

Would you have the guts to tell a dying person that free market is at work and free market trough supply/demand are sending him to his grave???

Would you even tell yoursef that. ???

They can bill me

Jon Irenicus:

Yeah, GMU offers courses in Austrian economics as does NYU (the relevant course being market processes.) A number of other universities mentioned by Dr Block in the economics section of this forum also offer courses in Austrian econ. Now, could you explain the relevance of this questions?

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Jon Irenicus — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:14:33 GMT

Says who?

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

ladyattis — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:14:32 GMT

Cesar:
I think it is ok to share the cost of healthcare and education among all.

Then you do so without violence and contradictory unspoken premises that others must do the same as you.

Cesar:
Makert is not a 100% provider since for a market to exist both "will and able" have to be present at the same time for buyers and sellers. Govt is the only best solution left.

The market doesn't do anything in the first place, it's a record of what's already been done. People provide for other people, but do so at their mutual benefit. Using violence or silly claims of divine right to something doesn't make these mutually beneficial transactions happen. Only reasonable calls for goods and services and equally reasonable trade for the same is the only way to have anything provided: period and end of story.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Spideynw — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:14:30 GMT

Cesar:

I think it is ok to share the cost of healthcare and education among all.

Makert is not a 100% provider since for a market to exist both "will and able" have to be present at the same time for buyers and sellers. Govt is the only best solution left.

That's nice, but the government does not let you choose. Someone else gets to choose.

I ask again, do you think it is OK for someone to take your money without your consent and spend it on goods and services you do not want?

It is a simple yes or no question.

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Cesar — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:10:04 GMT

I think it is ok to share the cost of healthcare and education among all.

Makert is not a 100% provider since for a market to exist both "will and able" have to be present at the same time for buyers and sellers. Govt is the only best solution left.

Spideynw:

Cesar:
I understand your bad manners and lack of tolerance and proper education. You live in a non free market and you have not been hable to purchase them. Keep reading your books, although I would recommend "Ethics for Dummies".

I ask you again, do you think it is OK for someone to take your money without your consent and spend it on goods and services you do not want?

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Spideynw — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:09:22 GMT

Cesar:
The end is for me to deside. So??

I ask you again, do you think it is OK for someone to take your money without your consent and spend it on goods and services you do not want?

Anyone else notice this troll is refusing to answer this question?

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

Jon Irenicus — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:07:50 GMT

Yeah, GMU offers courses in Austrian economics as does NYU (the relevant course being market processes.) A number of other universities mentioned by Dr Block in the economics section of this forum also offer courses in Austrian econ. Now, could you explain the relevance of this question?

Re: Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

ladyattis — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:07:08 GMT

Cesar:
So far the best example to your theory of free market and no govt has been the internet.

Actually there's many examples of non-governmental systems that exist better than anything we've made so far. Namely those that exist as part of Nature itself. Our ecosystem, our solar system, our languages, and so on are all formed from "anarchistic forces" and do so at regular intervals. And even if we exclude non-human systems, we have the languages we speak and write, and the technological inventions we know of throughout time have come not from governmental interventions, rather they come from individual minds grasping at the structure of reality. No edict can make a man think, or think creatively to find the truth. And it's from that creativity that civilization exists, not government.

Cesar:
But Nations that have the best quality of live, education, healthcare, political stability are socio-democratic. There you have my proof.

Also, this these nations that represent private property through the majority of the modern age that have improved their conditions more so than they have by plunder and redistribution.