Economics Questions

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

Stolz2525 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:01:38 GMT

rixross:

"You have a lab set up somewhere for this kind of stuff? Even if there was a test run of this you couldn't conclusively say it was better or worse than anything else unless every other variable except for the form of government were held constant. "

Clearly, but you could see the postives and negatives of such a situation. It would not be a perfect answer, but it would be something you could draw conclusions on, instead of simple theory.

Theory is actually better in some real world cases. Look at monetary policy for example. In theory, the basics are pretty simple. In practice, however, there are a lot of people who gain from making it confusing and obscuring results, just like there is for government.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

Jon Irenicus — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:16:01 GMT

Hey, ya hear that Jim?

-Jon

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Juan — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:37:42 GMT

I thought I didn't say anything especially outrageous...

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liberty student — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:21:51 GMT

When don't you say the wrong thing Juan! Sheesh!

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Juan — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:36:09 GMT

Did I say something wrong ?

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MacFall — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:15:13 GMT

rixoss, it seems as if you think that any disagreement with you is a personal attack. I don't see anything in the post prior to yours other than reasoned disagreement. If you would point out exactly where people have been asses, I'm sure it would do a lot more good than just making broad accusations of persucution, when this forum is, after all, for having arguments in.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

rixross — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:21:10 GMT

God man, you are a douche. This is not an ad hominmd attack, as it has nothing to do with my argument. You simply do not appear capable of having an intelligent discussion because all you care about is trying to prove your smarter than other people.

Good for you man, if someone doesnt agree with you why dont you just keep calling them stupid. Surefire way to bring people to your cause (which you desperatly need if you ever want to put your theories into practice). Good luck running a 5 person anarchial system, sounds pretty good to me.

A word of advice, instead of attacking people and being consistanly rude throughout your posts, you could try being polite and have an intelligent conversation. Then maybe everything wont resort to a pissing contest. I am done with this thread, as clearly Jim it is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you involved.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

Juan — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:11:05 GMT

rixross:
My problem with the anarchial system is that there are people who feel it is their duty to tell people what to do. Now these people fufill this desire through government.

Of course. And the state is the perfect means to do that.

How do you know that under a private system there would not be a market to help people fufill these desires?

Let's suppose that's the case. So, instead of an institution which has almost absolute power to destroy i.e. the state, there will be some organization which has limited(or very limited) power to destroy. Which system is better ?

...it is a theory, so you yourself have scant understanding of it because it has never been put into practice. There needs to be PROOF that something like this will work, before anyone will believe you.

You need to take a closer look to the link between what you call 'theory' and practice. Some things can be ruled out a-priori, without recourse to 'empirical' proof. And lack of empirical proof doesn't mean that some other things are impossible.

You know, before planes were built, a lot of 'clever' people thought that planes were nonsense.

Karl Marx had his theories, and in practice it failed miserably.

Yeah. Except that libertarians debunked his theories and knew beforehand what would happen if those theories were applied.

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Jon Irenicus — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:32:21 GMT

Exactly, it is a theory, so you yourself have scant understanding of it because it has never been put into practice.

Wow, talk about dumb statements.

There needs to be PROOF that something like this will work, before anyone will believe you. Karl Marx had his theories, and in practice it failed miserably. You really do remind me of a socialist, not your theories of course, but in your general manner. You believe you are completely right and everyone else is completely wrong and a total fool for not believing you.

Karl Marx's theories were demonstrably mistaken. You, on the other hand, are resorting to dismissing what anarchists have to say by saying it's "just" theory. Well so is most market economics, and so is minarchism. Big deal.

How can you claim to have a valid understanding of something that has never existed? And given your extremely poor responses to how this system would remedy certain situation, I doubt you have a working knowledge of these theories yourself.

Sigh, yet another miserable attempt at an ad hominem attack. Actually, they rebuked all your ill-considered "objections". How can I have a valid understanding? Because I have studied how the market works. Only fools rely purely on what has been to guide them, and minarchists can certainly claim no superiority here over anarchists for all the reasons outlined.

-Jon

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Anonymous Coward — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:31:46 GMT

I would like to be convinced, but what I would need would be real-life examples of how this system would work on an everyday basis. Surely a government monopoly system is able to adapt, but how would we assure that, with justice in public hands, that tyranny of the majority would not become prevalent? How could we be sure that those with means could not use this system to their benefit at the hands of those without.

Answer that.

You may note that I have answered it pre-reworded with a link to the Xeer legal system, why don't you do the same?

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Fixed the quote to reflect the true intent of the last sentence by adding a 'not' to 'could not use'.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

rixross — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:01:07 GMT

What question am I dodging? I want nothing more than to discuss this subject honestly.

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Anonymous Coward — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:07:09 GMT

I don't know man, I seem to recall an ad hominem directed at me not too long ago that was based on citing information on this site.

I really don't see it as our job do hand feed you every small detail when all you have to do is read some of the suggested books and whatnot and you will find the answers you seek. You don't even have to agree with it.

So why don't you answer the question I asked earlied instead of dodging it, eh? I really don't see anything coming out of you except a constant stream of ever increasingly less applical questions instead of actually discussing the subject honestly.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

rixross — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:54:00 GMT

? automatically dismiss? Obviously I am skeptical, everyone default view of anything untested should be skepticism. Why should I blindly believe what you say? If your ideas cannot stand up to my questions, then they do not deserve to stand at all. If they can, they they do. It is as simple as that. Try not getting so pissy when people don't automatically agree with you.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

Anonymous Coward — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:42:38 GMT

What, you want a working example or something, skip down to the part where they discuss Xeer law.

How much time would've been saved if you didn't just automatically dismiss the knowledge held on this site and searched out articles like this on your own instead of getting all pissy?

Yeah, yeah, it's not a controlled experiment.

Re: Take a look at this democrats.com forum

rixross — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:24:52 GMT

"You have a lab set up somewhere for this kind of stuff? Even if there was a test run of this you couldn't conclusively say it was better or worse than anything else unless every other variable except for the form of government were held constant. "

Clearly, but you could see the postives and negatives of such a situation. It would not be a perfect answer, but it would be something you could draw conclusions on, instead of simple theory.