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Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

ChaseCola — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:44:15 GMT

In my history class(also highschool) we were talking about the effects of the Idustrial revolution and I got into an argument over whether or not the poor were better off in the industrial revolution.

her- positive effects of industrial revolution?

me- people had more money

her- be more specific

me- everyone had more money

her- everyone?

me- yes, even the poor because they judged the factory jobs to be more beneficial to the old farm jobs

her- maybe they got kicked off the farm and had no choice?

me- then at least they would have an alternative rather than starving

later on.....

her-if the population increased too much then there wouldn't be any jobs left for the new people

me- the new people would create a new demand for products and thus more jobs

her- (she changed her mind and agreed with me, forgot how she said it though)

She also had various comments about how the minimum wage would make the poor better off, how monopolies occur in an unregulated economy, and how terrible child labor is. I didn't have a chance to refute these.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

JohnSchreimann — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:50:36 GMT

You should have just used one sentence: "my position, unlike that of my opponent, involves no theft or violence or threats of imprisonment."

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

scineram — Fri, 30 May 2008 20:35:28 GMT

shazam:
Good job. Not to change the subject, but it kinda reminds me of when I showed my history teacher a Lewrockwell.com article about Lincoln's violation of habeus corpus.

And what was the reaction? Was it in college?

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

Jon Irenicus — Fri, 30 May 2008 14:36:32 GMT

When you say the UK goes in a £700 yearly deficit surely you meant to say more than that?

-Jon

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

shazam — Fri, 30 May 2008 03:29:46 GMT

Good job. Not to change the subject, but it kinda reminds me of when I showed my history teacher a Lewrockwell.com article about Lincoln's violation of habeus corpus.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

Ronorama — Fri, 30 May 2008 02:38:28 GMT

Telpeurion:
Those of us who are not willing to commit to the stupid tasks and busy work are left to die near the bottom of the pile; and subsequently fail to progress as far in academia as the state's 4.0 GPA stooges - With some exceptions.

Take heart, dude. I was the same way...unchallenged and bored outta my skull during HS. I graduated barely in the top half of my class, nearly failed out of my first semester in college, and have no degree. Now I'm a database administrator, making a six-figure salary. I'm not particularly talented or lucky...just found something I enjoyed doing and learned all I could while doing it.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

MacFall — Fri, 30 May 2008 02:19:34 GMT

I didn't do well in high school either, and frankly didn't need to. I didn't learn a damn thing of any importance to me whatsoever between 4th grade and college.

But when we had our mandatory senior class debate, I got stuck on the pro-legalization of marijuana side. That opened the door to libertarianism for me, and I latched right on to it.

I kicked butt.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

krazy kaju — Thu, 29 May 2008 21:13:54 GMT

Thanks. I was thinking about going to a slightly worse university where my mom teaches, since I know for sure I could get in there, I'd have like half off on the tuition, and the education there isn't too bad (I'd say it's third after UM and MSU here in Michigan).

I could go there for two years and then switch to GMU or maybe go to GMU for grad school (b/c of their Austrian program). Dunno.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

dreamingoffreedominma — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:58:28 GMT

Hahaha, that is great man.

Remember that you aren't stuck at a college. If you don't get into George Mason, study hard your first semester and reapply. Keep trying until you get accepted.

Good luck!

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

krazy kaju — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:42:25 GMT

Telpeurion:

C's, D's and F's were my forte. You?

My parents are quite strict, so I manage to get As, Bs, and Cs. I've only had one D in school so far and I don't plan on getting another one. My cumulative core GPA is like a 3.2 or something and my ACT score was a 26 (with virtually no studying). I've been trying to do better in the hopes going to George Mason.

My grades might be better than yours were, but I still hate school (or at least being forced to learn things I don't care for at all).

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

Telpeurion — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:36:40 GMT

krazy kaju:

Haha, thanks guys.

I'm not the best student at all, but I decided to actually prepare for a debate once, as I didn't prepare for a single debate in my debate class last semester.

I really can't wait until I get out of the public school system and am able to study what I want (economics and philosophy).

C's, D's and F's were my forte. You?

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

krazy kaju — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:34:35 GMT

Haha, thanks guys.

I'm not the best student at all, but I decided to actually prepare for a debate once, as I didn't prepare for a single debate in my debate class last semester.

I really can't wait until I get out of the public school system and am able to study what I want (economics and philosophy).

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

Telpeurion — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:30:18 GMT

I was the lone voice for Misesian liberalism in my history classes as well. Though I did take one AP course, I never took anymore. In fact, I did terribly throughout high school.

I am glad there are people who can actually tolerate the public school system in it's current and forever status. Those of us who are not willing to commit to the stupid tasks and busy work are left to die near the bottom of the pile; and subsequently fail to progress as far in academia as the state's 4.0 GPA stooges - With some exceptions.

I just got out of HS and am going to have to take General Education and all the wonderful little obstacles in community college because of my practical mistakes (though certainly not philosophical mistakes!).

Best of luck to you,

Telpeurion

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

liberty student — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:28:49 GMT

Thank you for the lolz.

Re: Just laid some serious libertarian pwnage on nooblets...

Ronorama — Thu, 29 May 2008 19:58:39 GMT

Nicely done! It's encouraging to see someone your age defending the principles of liberty. Keep up the good work!