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Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Bogart — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:41:46 GMT

Everybody wants in on the Libertarian name now that we have had 8 years of Un-Compassionate Conservatism and 1 year of Hope and Change.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Leviathan — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:36:54 GMT

I remember. Wasn't the neo-Nazi Indian Jeff Weise (rampage shooter) involved with this outfit?

Fred Furash:

So, the campaign to smear the word "libertarian" has begun, the same way "liberal" was destroyed and co-opted.

How vile indeed...

Oh, that's long since begun and ended. The association of "libertarianism" with any kind of anti-socialism is evidence of that. ;)

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Saan — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:14:49 GMT

Sounds like the republicans to me. repatriation, institutional homeless. It brings to mind the gulag.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Marko — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:44:21 GMT

I'm not convinced this is an actual party. I think it may be one of those lunatic modern art projects or something.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

krazy kaju — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:35:36 GMT

Laughing Man:
Where is that guy?

idk what happened. After he stopped posting on here, he continued to post some vids on youtube. I think I unsubscribed to him though because I was getting a little annoyed with all of the little debates he was involved in. I'm not sure if he's still on YT or not.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Andrew Cain — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:26:54 GMT

krazy kaju:

I brought this up one time with Brainpolice in a discussion about so-called "libertarian" racists. These guys aren't libertarians - they believe in local government, not small and limited (or nonexistant) government. Only because they're localists doesn't make them any less socialist.

Where is that guy? I liked his topics on left liberatarianism. He usually had something insightful to say.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

krazy kaju — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:06:40 GMT

I brought this up one time with Brainpolice in a discussion about so-called "libertarian" racists. These guys aren't libertarians - they believe in local government, not small and limited (or nonexistant) government. Only because they're localists doesn't make them any less socialist.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

majevska — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:53:45 GMT

Why speechless? I've seen a lot stranger things in my day.

I actually don't think they're that bad. Not ideal certainly, but OK.

1. Tax cuts for environmental objectives

At first glance, anything with "tax cuts," sounds good and anything with "environmental objectives," bad. If it were a net tax cut, I would be in favor, but they admit that to cut taxes for environmental objectives they'll have to raise other taxes.

2. Removal of normative objectives

In all western states, we will remove normative regulation including all governmental moral intervention with the population. There will be no laws regulating speech, or that punish some for excelling in any field; further, all affirmative action and compensatory civil rights legislation will be abolished. Governments will be prohibited for makign suggestions for "progressive" social reform, and will be limited to functional duties and to funding cultural organizations for the upkeep of traditional culture. In public education, independent groups without profit motive will establish what is in textbooks, excluding all propaganda previously emitting from government sources.

Further, welfare systems will be replaced with workfare programs, and all shelters for the disadvantaged will be moved away from functional areas of the city and given an institutional nature. All laws which regulate scholarships and hiring outside of strict meritocracy will be banished, and will be replaced by a system of promoting the most able. All anti-discrimination legislation in housing, hiring and education will be stricken from the books.

Not perfect, but sounds pretty good to me.

3. Restore autonomy to the states

Sounds okay to me.

4. Reduction of legal complexity

Not so bad eh?

5. Repatriation of non-Germanic populations

I used to be against ethno-nationalism but now am in favor of it to some extent.

I think they would probably do better to try using that newfound autonomy of the states to make several States into Germanic-only ethnostates rather than make the entire US Germanic only. Ain't gonna happen.

California could become a Latino ethnostate; a Negro ethnostate could be carved out of parts of the deep South; the Catskills for US Jews; some states could be for whites only (Germanic or not); and of course, quite a few States could remain mixed race.

Most whites in the US don't think of themselves as "Germanic," even if they're of Germanic stock. When they do think racially, they think in terms of white and black or white and nonwhite. Getting them to send the negroes back to Africa is far-fetched enough... sending the Polish and Italian Americans to Eastern Europe isn't something I see ever happening.

Not to mention the fact that most Eastern European countries probably aren't in favor of receiving millions of American "Mixed Indo-European" people.

6. Create cultural center to oversee media

Not so wild about this myself.

7. Reputable international politics

Outside of regulation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), all National Socialist governments will withdraw from international politics. Tariffs will be fixed, and no longer a bargaining chip with which one pacifies local industry; high tariffs will be considered correct for every nation. All foreign aid programs will be disbanded.

Not so wild about the tariffs; in favor of ending foreign aid.

8. All undeveloped land is purchased by government

Not in favor of this. Their economic reasoning is confused.

9. Tax incentives for inner city development

Again with the "raise taxes for x, lower them for y," and then a nice wet dream at the end.

10. Repeal of laws limiting citizen autonomy

Laws forbidding drug use, sodomy and rough personal conduct will be replaced by laws directing people who wish to engage in such behaviors toward specialized areas of each major city, chosen from derelict neighborhoods, where alone such things are permitted.

Eh, not so bad.

11. Return to strict meritocracy in hiring and education

Good.

12. Any area more than 50% concreted must begin planting

Hare brained.

13. End tax-free status of religious organizations

Not in favor.

14. Certain destructive things banned

Banned, upon pain of death, will be: genetically modified foods; dumping of toxic waste; child molestation or possession of child pornography; possession of nerve toxins.

In favor of death for child molestation, not necessarily for child pornography but wouldn't mind it. Not in favor of death for the dumping toxic waste, but some severe punishment. Genetically modified foods are ok. Nerve toxins dunno.

Overall, they aren't so great, but certainly better than the status quo. I would probably vote for them if they had a chance of winning, even though it would mean being "repatriated," to Eastern Europe.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Merlin — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:41:43 GMT

And it has a very “interesting” program too. Well, I just decided to come out of my self-imposed political isolation and vote again.

But seriously, that is not impossible a priori. After all, an intelligent individual who sincerely cares for the environment can see that private property and its defense, could be the only way to defend the environment. So Green-Libertarian is not impossible, all of the contrary.

And than again, if we take “national socialist” at face value, i.e. believing what Hitler said in his speeches, libertarianism is again the only way to take. After all, should there really be a “master race”, a group of people so evolved as to outshine anyone else in achievements (as the Sapiens was to the neanderthalensin), it would again follow that letting such individuals be totally free would maximize their output. So, had Hitler really mean what he said, and had he read Human Action (yes, I know its 1949), anarchism would be the way to go for such a “master race”.

Good lord, they can’t even start a decent smear campaign against libertarianism.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

The Late Andrew Ryan — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:41:05 GMT

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Solredime — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:55:32 GMT

So, the campaign to smear the word "libertarian" has begun, the same way "liberal" was destroyed and co-opted.

How vile indeed...

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Giant_Joe — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:49:29 GMT

Enviro-nazis. :)

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Andrew Cain — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:30:33 GMT

Libertarian-Nazi-Environmentalists? Wow...and apparently they've got a hot story about Israeli citizens adopting children for organs.

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Jorge A. Medina — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:54:41 GMT

Bert:
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

A moronic oxymoron!

Re: Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (No Joke)

Clayton — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:31:16 GMT

Bert:

Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

I'm speechless...

It's a handful of folks put up a website. Last updated August of last year. May be astroturf. My guess is it's a smear. If we see more of these "Libertarian-Something Awful Party" creatures, then it's definitely astroturf.

Clayton -