When you really think about it, all government can do is take away your life, liberty and property.
What appears to be a helping hand is just a reallocation of those stolen goods.
Maybe to truly evolve, like the intelligent beings that observe us , we have to rid ourselves of this evil, destructive idea of "government".
Government is greater than a scheme. It is an institution that takes away life, liberty and property.
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Has there ever been a society without any government?
If one of today's dailies is right, then pre-Saul Israel.
Keynes must've been a fan of Brave New World; why else would he write a book about its economics?
A few month ago a friend of mine knowledgable in jewish history was telling me that israel was anarchic at the time of the 'judges'.
then they instituted a king.
whoops.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
the question is: has there ever been a society that had government that did not collapse into oblivion?
Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots
If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?
nirgrahamUK: A few month ago a friend of mine knowledgable in jewish history was telling me that israel was anarchic at the time of the 'judges'. then they instituted a king. whoops.
And the reason, according to the bible, they wanted a king was because they wouldn't listen to God anymore and said they would only listen to Saul profess about God. They wanted a mediator, a third party. You know, cause Obama is better...
"I used to see a mountain as a mountain.. Thereafter.. when I saw a mountain; lo! it was not a mountain.. yet now of final tranquillity: I see a mountain just as a mountain as I used to.." - Master Yuan; molon labe
limitgov: When you really think about it, all government can do is take away your life, liberty and property. What appears to be a helping hand is just a reallocation of those stolen goods.
When you see that the state creates nothing, and can only re-allocate, then you realize that it is strictly an argument betweencommand economy vs. market economy. And then the question is, who knows better than you how you should spend your money? What you value, and what you do not?
Legally, the state is a fiction. There is no such thing as a state, only a gang of thieves. With sovereign immunity, they are not compelled to deliver on any portion of their half of the social contract, most of us did not and would not sign anyways.
Welcome to anarchism.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
liberty student: limitgov: When you really think about it, all government can do is take away your life, liberty and property. What appears to be a helping hand is just a reallocation of those stolen goods. When you see that the state creates nothing, and can only re-allocate, then you realize that it is strictly an argument betweencommand economy vs. market economy. And then the question is, who knows better than you how you should spend your money? What you value, and what you do not? Legally, the state is a fiction. There is no such thing as a state, only a gang of thieves. With sovereign immunity, they are not compelled to deliver on any portion of their half of the social contract, most of us did not and would not sign anyways. Welcome to anarchism.
Thank you. But I/m sure there is more to this story. Someone had to start this idea of a "government".
How did this scheme get started?
limitgov: Thank you. But I/m sure there is more to this story. Someone had to start this idea of a "government". How did this scheme get started?
The first person, smart enough to figure out how to control others through psychological manipulation, was the one who figured out that government is a superior racket to just about any other.
While liberty student is correct, I think there were some intelligent writers and philosophers who advocated the implementation of the state in all honesty and did intend for it to be a racket/scam.
Surely you know already, but John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, etc... were the men who developed the modern day government idea (with influence from Platonic and Aristotelean political philsophy I suppose.)
Then these anarchists came around and told everybody they were wrong, but people were too brainwashed to believe it for a second! But I have read a small amount of libertarian literature seeing as I am bogged down with astronomy books for my coursework.
liberty student: The first person, smart enough to figure out how to control others through psychological manipulation, was the one who figured out that government is a superior racket to just about any other.
Yep. According to jewish tradition already mentioned here, Nimrod. The first mention of State in Bible:
8And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
10And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
(Genesis 10)
Now, Jewish tradition also contributes establishment of Religion ( as opposed to Faith, which all characters of Bible had).
State and Religion, The best way to gain power over masses.
"We are nothing. Mankind is all. By the grace of our brothers are we allowed our lives. We exist through, by and for our brothers who are the State. Amen."
Another explanation is that government has its origins in chattel slavery.
The current system of debt/tax slavery is much more effective than pure chattel slavery.
Over time, the master managed to get his position codified into law and brainwashed his slaves into accepting his legitimacy.
I have my own blog at FSK's Guide to Reality. Let me know if you like it.
I believe the state is a symbiosis between violent thieves and scam artists. I make the case for this, citing Rothbard, in my post The Sword and the Lie.
An interesting question is, who came first the violent thief or the scam artist?
I discuss the possibility of the violent thief coming first in my post The Racket and the Cult.
However, I believe the scam artist actually came first, in the form of a cultist. I believe the first mega-cult occurred in the Sumerian city-state of Eridu. The temple came first; the first palace was a military spin-off of the temple. Together the temple and the palace comprised the first state. I make the case for this in my post Cradle of the State. Now the temple priests are replaced by technocrats, academics, journalists, and teachers. The palace kings and soldiers are replaced by politicians, law enforcement officers, and the military.
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