Somewhere along the lines of history, people began being misinformed on what a "right to education" means.
It means, the government cannot interfere with its citizens using their resources on education.
When the state forces its citizens to fund state controlled schools, they are violating this right. The citizen no longer has the freedom to use his/her resources on education; the state interferes with this freedom and fully controls it.
The law does not mean you have to go to state funded public schools at all. You can go to a private school if you so choose, but if not you have to go to public school.
I fail to see how this is a bad thing in the slightest, seeing as I just graduated a public high school and I can tell you that if kids did not have to go, they wouldn't, and they would be even more stupid than they are now.
TravisWadman:I fail to see how this is a bad thing in the slightest, seeing as I just graduated a public high school and I can tell you that if kids did not have to go, they wouldn't, and they would be even more stupid than they are now.
Well, i am not sure if they would be more stupid though :-)
At least your comments do not prove anything like that so far.
If I choose to educate myself, am I free to not pay the part of my tax obligations that go into the public school system?
In the begining there was nothing, and it exploded.
Terry Pratchett (on the big bang theory)
Well, if they think children have the right to education they'd best agree that we should abolish state schools asap.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
How on Earth would a 6 year old child educate itself? In a libertarian society more than any other, the parents would have to work, so unless you are expecting a 6 year old to teach itself how to read, write and do arithmatic, I think state schooling is a must.
Not everyone can, or wants to go to private schools. Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
TravisWadman: How on Earth would a 6 year old child educate itself? In a libertarian society more than any other, the parents would have to work, so unless you are expecting a 6 year old to teach itself how to read, write and do arithmatic, I think state schooling is a must. Not everyone can, or wants to go to private schools. Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
So do concentration camps, maybe Germany should reopen those.
Semper Fidelis
TravisWadman:How on Earth would a 6 year old child educate itself?
The way all children learn. Interaction and emulation.
TravisWadman:In a libertarian society more than any other, the parents would have to work
Not necessarily true.
TravisWadman:so unless you are expecting a 6 year old to teach itself how to read, write and do arithmatic, I think state schooling is a must.
Kids teach themselves how to make websites and master complex video games. I don't think you are giving kids enough credit, and I think you are giving state daycare too much credit.
TravisWadman:Not everyone can, or wants to go to private schools.
Sure they do. And why couldn't they? Private schools give a better education for a lower cost.
TravisWadman:Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
Is this a joke?
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
For one, you're not thinking about how new Public schooling is. Secondly and most importantly, you are not thinking about the teachers who desire to teach the youth.
As a side note: I have yet to meet one teacher (and my wife is a teacher) that does not desire to get rid of the administration for it hasn't a clue about teaching, kills creativity in the classroom, and thus kills the ability of the individual students to learn properly. The administration is a business and a tool of the State. The superintendent locally here got a huge pay off when he forced the teachers to use a specific software. The following year, the school rid the software cause it didn't work, but got a new software program, superintendent got a huge pay off from the software company and the government gave large monies to the school district for following their statist program. The software has yet to work, and school is over in three days. Teachers know this tremendously. It's not a secret at all. They talk about it often and in the open on how the State isn't about the students and forces programs on the students and teachers to implement that do not help the students learn - at all. The public school system in the U.S. is failing for the most part due to this coercive activity that has nothing to do with students learning. Yet isn't that what school's about as you said? There's lot more going on you have lot's to learn.
"I used to see a mountain as a mountain.. Thereafter.. when I saw a mountain; lo! it was not a mountain.. yet now of final tranquillity: I see a mountain just as a mountain as I used to.." - Master Yuan; molon labe
TravisWadman: The law does not mean you have to go to state funded public schools at all. You can go to a private school if you so choose, but if not you have to go to public school. I fail to see how this is a bad thing in the slightest, seeing as I just graduated a public high school and I can tell you that if kids did not have to go, they wouldn't, and they would be even more stupid than they are now.
So you consider it a form of benevolent slavery. Wasn't that said about Negro Slavery? (Hint: it was)
Also, Broken window fallacy. If they hadn't been forced to go to school, they would have done something else with their time. Likely something more productive then being indoctrinated by government employees.
Again, broken window fallacy.
If the state schools employed no one, those people would be employed in other ways. The money, if left in the hands of its rightful owners, would be spent on other things.
There is no such thing as creating jobs, all that government spending does is redirect scarce resources; away from the things other people want and towards the things they want. ie, steal.
In a libertarian society, there would be thousands upon thousands of jobs as people pay those who are educators to teach their 6-year old children. Or not, as is the choice of the individual; but if the parents want their child(ren) to be able to do at least as well as they do, they'll pay for the education.
"All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." -James Madison
TravisWadman:How on Earth would a 6 year old child educate itself? In a libertarian society more than any other, the parents would have to work, so unless you are expecting a 6 year old to teach itself how to read, write and do arithmatic, I think state schooling is a must. Not everyone can, or wants to go to private schools. Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
Blatant assertions won't work here. Asking questions and showing a genuine interest in educating yourself will. If you will not do that, then I ask that you leave now, as you will not enjoy yourself here.
@TravisWadman, Here's an essay on compulsory education, how it is used by the state, how it came to be, and what it will always try to evolve into: http://mises.org/web/2689
If you want to read it in book form, it's available at the LvMI Store.
TravisWadman: Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
Also, state schools provide thousands upon thousands of jobs.
Only by stealing the resources from others. Its theft. Do you think theft is acceptable?
If school was not compulsory, I would guess that individuals would value school more.
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