simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it?
for someone to be unemployed for no reason, what if the employer was just jealous of the employee?
how do you protect workers rights?
I don't think anti-discrimination laws cover 'jealously'.
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inquisitiveteenager:without anti-discrimination laws, what woould happen to someone who was fired simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it?
Sure it is. Employees quit all of the time and don't have to justify it.
It is a contractual situation. If the contract says notice must be given, it must be given. If temination pay is due, it is due. Most jobs do not have those protections in contract, you usually only see it in speciailized jobs, but they are possible.
inquisitiveteenager:for someone to be unemployed for no reason, what if the employer was just jealous of the employee?
Why would an employer be jealous of an employee? All of the incentives for an employer are to retain good employees. The ones who get cut, the ones who demand collective bargaining, the ones who whine and complain, usually are not talented (so they do not have other options) and they are not very productive (they need to be in a group in order to validate their average or low productivity). From my experience, to an employer, one good employee can be worth 3 average ones, and you might only have to pay that good employee twice as much, instead of 3 times as much to retain him.
Generally, firms are made successful by the top 5~10% of their employees. Everyone else is just performing a role, and most can be swapped in and out interchangeably.
inquisitiveteenager:how do you protect workers rights?
How do you protect employer's rights? Without employers, there are no employees.
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inquisitiveteenager:simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it?
Life is not fair, what if the employee has a grudge and performs poorly to spite his employer?
This is just ridiculous, an employer that is jealous of his employees ability finds that he is out of business and his finer employees (the ones he is jealous of) will be working in other firms...
What worker's Rights, there is not right to employment, you cannot morally force an individual to employ another individual....
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You can't protect people from management incompetence I'm afraid. The only true security and a working job market, so you can tell your asshole boss "I quit!" before he fires you.
It should never get to the point where firing someone is a power of life and death over them.
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inquisitiveteenager: simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it? for someone to be unemployed for no reason, what if the employer was just jealous of the employee? how do you protect workers rights?
What should we do if people decide to stop eating pizza because well, they just have a grudge against Italy, and they don't really like it. That's not really fair is it? What if people were just jealous of Pizza Hut employees. How do we protect restaurants' rights?
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If things were fair, we'd all be clones.
The only true noncontractual worker right is the right to quit working.
Workers would be most benefitted by unshackling the market to provide more prosperous alternative opportunities for them.
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inquisitiveteenager: simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it? for someone to be unemployed for no reason, what if the employer was just jealous of the employee?
Suppose he gets to keep his job; that necessitates that whoever would otherwise replace him must take a job elsewhere, i.e. he is denied an opportunity. That's really not fair either, at least by your assumed standard of fairness.
If a guy gets fired, it's unfair to him. If he isn't, it's unfair to someone else. Could it be that your standard is unrealistic and just plain stupid?
You can't protect what doesn't exist.
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Solomon: inquisitiveteenager:how do you protect workers rights? You can't protect what doesn't exist.
To clarify, I'm sure Solomon is arguing not that workers have no rights, but that they only have the same rights as everyone else.
Thedesolateone: To clarify, I'm sure Solomon is arguing not that workers have no rights, but that they only have the same rights as everyone else.
Well, there's the basic human right to your person and property. But within the employment relation itself, the employee has only two rights: 1) the right to be paid for services rendered; and 2) the right to quit.
Anything else is a breach of the employer's rights.
inquisitiveteenager: without anti discrimination laws what would happen to someone who was fired simply because the employer had a grudge, that's not really fair is it?
without anti discrimination laws what would happen to someone who was fired
No, not really fair. But so what, the employer is not obligated to keep somebodies services. Not to mention, if it was a good, productive employee, the business owner would be making an economically bad decision which will end up hurting him. (Sort of goes along with why minimum wage enables racism)
inquisitiveteenager: how do you protect workers rights?
What rights?
Thedesolateone: Solomon: inquisitiveteenager:how do you protect workers rights? You can't protect what doesn't exist. To clarify, I'm sure Solomon is arguing not that workers have no rights, but that they only have the same rights as everyone else.
I think it would be better to say that he is stating that "Worker's Rights" does not exist, as in you do not have a right to work, and if you are working, you have no right to keep your employment against your employers wishes...
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