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This guy blasts the free market, RPF-ers, and the anti-FDR people

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Daniel Posted: Tue, May 5 2009 1:24 AM

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i know if i watch those 2 videos it will be 20 minutes of my life i will never get back.

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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thebob replied on Tue, May 5 2009 1:56 AM

The magical appearing grain cartells...

Corporation can manipulate prices any way they want...

FDR created jobs..

5 minutes in and I'm going to stop, sorry.

 

He is working from a completly different paradigm. If he doesn't justify his claims its very easy to dismiss them.

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Daniel replied on Tue, May 5 2009 2:04 AM

He made me laugh. Guy: "We've had a free market for the past 30 years!!"

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This is why I left RPF about a year ago.  It's like these people don't even know who Ron Paul is.

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This is one of those videos where you just downvote and leave.

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Vichy replied on Tue, May 5 2009 2:31 AM

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This is why I left RPF about a year ago.  It's like these people don't even know who Ron Paul is.

Isn't this exactly the sort of person who'd need to be there, though?  Otherwise you're just preaching to the choir, or at least probably someone who has made up their mind about Ron Paul.   It's the people who don't know who he is or what he's about that actually stand to learn.

The problem isn't ignorance, so much, as stupidity.  Which is a Universal phenomena, and not something libertarianism has avoided.

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Vichy:
Isn't this exactly the sort of person who'd need to be there, though?  Otherwise you're just preaching to the choir, or at least probably someone who has made up their mind about Ron Paul.

Well, the forum started out as a place for activism.  That's where we organized money bombs, designed graphics, bum rushed online polls, harassed media with emails and telephone calls.  I'm sure DailyPaul and Alex Jones like to take credit, but the truth be told, RPF was the command center for the revolution.

No one would have given a misguided fella like this the time of day, because it was all about pushing the campaign.  Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Not every website is for conversion or education.   Nor should they be, division of labour and all that good stuff.

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bbnet replied on Tue, May 5 2009 3:20 AM

He states early in first vid - "In Amerika ... agriculture is  ... families whose entire existence is based on agriculture. That's what makes it a culture."

thats enough for me ... lol

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i know if i watch those 2 videos it will be 20 minutes of my life i will never get back.

lol Stick out tongue  I watched the first 4 minutes or so of the first.  You're right.

I think he said the agriculture people/farmers were a cartel (his word) that were hoarding food and making prices go up.  I never heard that twist before...lol

 

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Vichy replied on Tue, May 5 2009 12:09 PM
"I think he said the agriculture people/farmers were a cartel (his word) that were hoarding food and making prices go up." Well, that's kind of true...certainly is a somewhat cartelized organization of large farmers in most countries. Though I don't think 'hoarding' is the strategy they use. Burning, that sort of thing.

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Vichy:
"I think he said the agriculture people/farmers were a cartel (his word) that were hoarding food and making prices go up." Well, that's kind of true...certainly is a somewhat cartelized organization of large farmers in most countries. Though I don't think 'hoarding' is the strategy they use. Burning, that sort of thing.

   Yeah, but he said those cartel of farmers were the problem.  I have a hard time understanding how farmers are the problem when they labor and produce and sometimes overproduce and thus exchange on the market.

    What do you mean by "burning"?

 

 

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Hey guys! I'm new here and just watched these videos...and I must say that was a waste of my time.

 

I just love how he says that I dont know what agriculture is and then goes onto define agriculture as a family that is dependent on agriculture...um I was always taught not to define a word with that word.

 

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Hey guys! I'm new here and just watched these videos...and I must say that was a waste of my time.

 

I just love how he says that I dont know what agriculture is and then goes onto define agriculture as a family that is dependent on agriculture...um I was always taught not to define a word with that word.

 

This is a great forum and website!

Welcome alexmullions!  Lots to learn here! Yes

 

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Vichy replied on Tue, May 5 2009 12:24 PM
A lot of agriculture is cartelized, partially by legal means. Often times, if they 'overproduce' they destroy the product. Which in itself is normal, but the problem is with the state cartelization and subsidies, they can keep on overproducing and destroying enabling them to drive up agriculture prices. I don't know how large a scale they do this on anymore, but it had been pretty absurd in various periods of the 20th century.

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Vichy:
A lot of agriculture is cartelized, partially by legal means. Often times, if they 'overproduce' they destroy the product. Which in itself is normal, but the problem is with the state cartelization and subsidies, they can keep on overproducing and destroying enabling them to drive up agriculture prices. I don't know how large a scale they do this on anymore, but it had been pretty absurd in various periods of the 20th century.

    I'm missing something here.  How does "overproducing... drive up... prices"?

 

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mrwiizrd replied on Tue, May 5 2009 12:40 PM

Because those evil, greedy capitalists are hoarding all the goods.  Makes perfect sense considering how exponentially more expensive food prices have become over the past century. 




Oh wait, the exact opposite has happened.

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The "destroying" part drives the prices up. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is either, though. Why not just produce less?

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Jon Irenicus:
I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is either, though. Why not just produce less?

I suppose the yields are often unpredictable, and if the producer faces a very elastic demand curve...

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Jon Irenicus:

The "destroying" part drives the prices up. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is either, though. Why not just produce less?

    Are we talking about actual destruction of produced goods?  In which the State buys up products and then destroys them before they can reach the market?

 

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