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  • Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    So for the poll, count me as "other" until I explore this a little more. Smile

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  • Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:58 AM In reply to

    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    Not going to sidetrack this, but just so you know, the DRO is commonly called a 'private defence agency' (PDA) in anarcho-capitalist literature. I think the term DRO is in fact better though.

     

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  • Sun, Feb 24 2008 7:50 PM In reply to

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

     Market anarchist. But I believe some government is necessary to keep those who would band together and terrorize the peaceful at bay. 

    "Right is based, not upon men's opinions, but upon nature." - Cicero
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  • Sun, Feb 24 2008 8:41 PM In reply to

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     Rothbardian Anarchist, with strong Hoppean influences.

     Individualism is my religion. 

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  • Mon, Feb 25 2008 9:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    I am just a libertarian with with pro-Austrian economic views.  I'm not Right, Left, Center, or anything like that because I think those terms have been skewed.

    Perhaps for this thread you can consider me a 'Minarchist.' That doesn't mean I'm against Anarchocaptialism, in fact, I think its the next logical step after Minarchy. I'm not fan of government in general and ideally I would love to see anarchocapitalism rule the day but I just don't think its realistic and hence I still refer to it as an ideal.  In this day in age, no matter how much we hate to admit it, some government is neccessary. Almost inevidably we have to choose some sort of government and I would rather choose far less government than more of it.  For me, less government ( moving toward anarchy) always equals more freedom. However, that doesn't mean we need even a little government forever.  Perhaps one day we can do a peaceful transition into anarchocapitalism but its not likely now. Its rather absurd to go directly to a government-less anarchocapitalism from a large statist government like we have today. There needs to be a transition period and I think small government, or minarchy, is the way to go. Perhaps under minarchy we can gradually move towards the direction of anarchocapitalism in due time.  Anyway, thats makes the most sense to me.

     PS: I'd say were all on the right track here if Minarchy is the most government some of us will tolerate. Big Smile

    Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts. - Ludwig Von Mises
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  • Mon, Feb 25 2008 9:27 AM In reply to

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    Actually, it is much more likely that the current government will collapse and we will find ourselves in anarchy, at which point rapidly establishing the proper judicial institutions will be a critical necessity, then it is likely that the current government, which is controlled by an entrenched ruling class, will shrink itself back to a minarchy.

    History doesn't run backwards. Empires collapse. They do not revert to republics. Government can no more be shrunk than a tree can go back to a seed.

    The question that faces us is to determine what type of seed is most desirable after the current tree has been burnt. 

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  • Mon, Feb 25 2008 10:45 AM In reply to

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    History doesn't run backwards. Empires collapse. They do not revert to republics. Government can no more be shrunk than a tree can go back to a seed.

    Agreed but unlike the past, we are a different civilization now.  In the past it was unheard of for the common folk to have a voice let alone freely organize together for a stated purpose.  It was always the elitists calling the shots. Granted, the people have less say in the U.S. today than ever before but we can still organize much better than civilizations before us.  Perhaps, I'm a bit too optimistic but I believe we can still make a peaceful change without all the chaos that follows the destruction of an empire. Fortunatly the fight has not progressed to arms and ammunition but rather still remains a battle of ideas. I think the majority of us here can contribute a lot with ideas and helping people realize that liberty is the way to go. I think the ideas of Mises and Rothbard are just the right medicine for reinstituting liberty and I think it would be benificial for all of us to work to make these ideas mainstream.

    Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts. - Ludwig Von Mises
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  • Mon, Feb 25 2008 11:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

     Anarcho-capitalist.

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

     #1 Minarchist

    With Anarcho-Capitalist leanings, although as a newbie to the Austro-Libertarian scene, I'm having a hard time reconcilling certain aspects of full-bore Anarchism.

    "Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values." - Ayn Rand
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  • Fri, Feb 29 2008 9:26 PM In reply to

    Anarcho-Capitalism is my view of a "perfect society" to which we should strive towards. 

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     I am a fifth level Half-Elf Anarchist.

     I have been really enjoying the scrolls of Hoppe and Rothbard lately.

     

     

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    Agorist.

    I'll also note that I'm a Christian, and believe that the church should also be non-hierarchical and non-authoritarian.

    Pro Christo et Libertate integre!

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    Position: If one had to label oneself, probably 'anarcho-capitalist' with purer anarchist leanings. (The 'ideal' world argument etc.) DRO's were a large influence and assuaged my fears over previously unresolved issues I'd had regarding property rights, disputes, security, free markets, conservationism, etc.

    I'm new to the economics and arguments of Rothbard et al (and Mises for that matter - first post!) but what I've heard so far is exciting. I hang out at freedomainradio.com quite a bit although I'm not in total agreement with those folks over certain philosophical assumptions. Naturally I am absolutely against the state in any shape or form whatsoever, without exception - on strict moral grounds; which must, I believe come before any other. I'd be more than happy to converse, debate and swap ideas with you folks over IM, email etc anytime as I strongly believe in communities, the power of the open dialogue and the interactions which shape them.


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  • Wed, Mar 5 2008 12:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    Anarchist

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  • Wed, Mar 5 2008 1:55 PM In reply to

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    Z Man:
    Agreed but unlike the past, we are a different civilization now.  In the past it was unheard of for the common folk to have a voice let alone freely organize together for a stated purpose.  It was always the elitists calling the shots. Granted, the people have less say in the U.S. today than ever before but we can still organize much better than civilizations before us. 
     

    Sorry to say, but it is still the elitists calling the shots. The people on this forum at least all have undergraduate education, and I'd wager a whole lot of them have graduate education as well. You are not going to convert Joe Nascar to the validity of the philosophy of freedom. He will not pay attention to you long enough, because he just doesn't care. He goes to vote because the elites tell him to, and the elites pick what candidates he is or isn't allowed to vote for. That is not going to change. We are not going to beat the ruling class at a game where they are the referees. Give up on that idea immediately. 

    The good news is that when the revolution is underway, it will be a struggle involving only the elites, us versus them, with the people mostly standing aside to watch in awe. That's the way all revolutions go. There may not be a single bullet fired in the process.

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    MacFall:

    Agorist.

    I'll also note that I'm a Christian, and believe that the church should also be non-hierarchical and non-authoritarian.

     

     I think my relatives fit that description.  They were members of the Haugian sect of Lutherans and they left Tinn in Telemark Norway in the 1860s to get away from the state run church and its laws (religious and state) about the heirarchy of the clergy.  

     They were war resistors in WWI, would not take any secular oaths or pledges and the only prayer they would say was the Lord's Prayer as they viewed other prayers as having priorities in the secular world.

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  • Wed, Mar 5 2008 3:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Minarchist? Anarchist? Other? Come identify yourself here

    Anarchist in the original sense. I'm a socilist who believes the free market is a myth- it does not exist, and never could. No rational being coul possibly teake it seriously, because any attempt to bring about a "free market" fails and creates mass inequality and much injustice.

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    Twirlcan:

    MacFall: