Do you guys here on this site, notice anything different about yourself? Maybe about the way your mind works to solve problems versus othere, like family, friends or co-workers? Sometimes I think I have a better understanding or ability to understand logical arguments than others. My mind works in a global sense. I cannot compartmentalize my thoughts like others can. I see the world, operating according to universal immutable law. I see law where others see chaos.
Where there is chaos that is beyond my control, I have an ability to accept the fact that I cannot do anything to change it. I can certainly try, but ultimatly if it is logically beyond my ability to control something, I can just let go.
For example, seeing a drug dealer selling crack on the "public" streets. I don't like it, heck I hate it. But I have the ability to let him/her alone. Realizing I cannot stop him/her without hurting society.
In chaos there is a kind of order. An order I cannot comprehend.
Any who.
Anyone else feel the same?
my dad actually gets upset when he's driving and he gets red lights.
what...is..the..point.
(i find it funny, particularly that he's a road socialist)
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Jason:Do you guys here on this site, notice anything different about yourself? Maybe about the way your mind works to solve problems versus othere, like family, friends or co-workers? Sometimes I think I have a better understanding or ability to understand logical arguments than others. My mind works in a global sense. I cannot compartmentalize my thoughts like others can. I see the world, operating according to universal immutable law. I see law where others see chaos.
Jason, I've noticed exactly the same thing! Reading the Austrians (especially Rothbard) has made me a more direct and systematic thinker, writer, talker, and teacher. I recently wrote a memo to my principle, and I found myself writing this piece discussing Algebra curriculum in the style a Rothbardian monograph. And it was a huge success. My principle was bowled over, and now I get to revamp the whole way we teach 8th grade math next year.
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Absolutely. Since I started posting on mises.org, I'm down to 6% body fat and up 12 pounds of lean body mass. I can bench press 250 pounds and deadlift 400. I crank out 10K in 40 minutes. I have to put Jennifer Aniston on hold to take calls from that crazy bitch Winona Ryder. I won the lottery, started an intermodal shipping business, sold it for a gazillion dollars and now I'm posting from my own island.
Fuckin hell on wheels baby.
You're acting tamely, Byzantine, I was over that in the first week.
I spend most of my time now huffing paint.
i see things more clearly. in my sophmore year i wrote a history paper that had the old "govt must provide infrastructure" crap. now i think by molinari's axiom- if markets can provide for goods, then they could provide for all goods
I have a far more systematic world-view, and I now see chaos not as a lack of order, but rather as a form of creation that must be respected, not tamed.
I am becoming a Burkean Whig.
- F.A. Hayek
laminustacitus: I have a far more systematic world-view, and I now see chaos not as a lack of order, but rather as a form of creation that must be respected, not tamed.
success of the market is due to coincidence of interests between people. its not more glorious than consciousness planning, per se. what i notice some libertarians doing is falling into some taoistic "spontaneous order" worship. this is not a rant against you, but im pissed off when i saw that Stossel video on youtube where he says that when the staking ring is planned thing go crazy.
I'm more introverted and systematic in how I think, and I pay more attention to methods, I guess...
garegin:success of the market is due to coincidence of interests between people. its not more glorious than consciousness planning, per se. what i notice some libertarians doing is falling into some taoistic "spontaneous order" worship. this is not a rant against you, but im pissed off when i saw that Stossel video on youtube where he says that when the staking ring is planned thing go crazy.
i think stossel was trying to illustrate that limited government intervention in the market leads to full socialism as the government invoke further controls to cope with side effects, the calculation argument etc. what didnt you like about the skating rink>?
I actually liked the skating rink analogy because everyone minded where everyone else was so that there would be no conflict, so to speak.
i understand the message. the problem was a bad analogy. he was saying that when you try to coordinate a rink you get chaos. he conflates moneyless/incetivness central planning with coordination.
Sure, I feel different. But I have a strong need to fit in, so I don't necessarily see it in a good way. Which might lead you to ask, why then, are you spending your free time immersing yourself in a heterodox school of a social science in which even the orthodox schools are unpopular? To which I say: You can't change your nature.
but he is right, since central planning is undoubtably an *attempt* at central planning.
just as someone trying to tell skaters where to skate, is an *attempt* at planning the skaters movements.
i dont undestand why you have prefixed central planning with moneyless/incentivless...
regardless of whether the government uses brute law, regulating what can and cant be done, or whether they do price control, or whether they tax some goods and subsidize others, all three are examples of central planning, which is an attempt at coordination, which is demonstratably inferior to the coordination achieved in the free market.
i understand. but firms and organizations have internal coordination within themselves. would you say that launching a shuttle or steering a large ship is too chaotic because it involves the direction from the top. should shipcrew simply "self-direct" themselves?
I found that my thinking is more or less the same as before. It's not surprising that I found much of the Austrian School's concepts intuitive since I've always studied works related to Emergence, Chaos Theory, and Information Theory (focused specifically on the nature of networks...). As well as studying much of the natural sciences like neurology and evolutionary biology. So, my mind is pretty much geared toward thinking of systems rather than just parts.
The funny question of the day is this: why the hell hasn't an unholy alliance of the Austrians and multiple natural sciences with complementary concepts not happened? Political concerns or just ignorance of scientists of the Austrian School?
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ladyattis: The funny question of the day is this: why the hell hasn't an unholy alliance of the Austrians and multiple natural sciences with complementary concepts not happened? Political concerns or just ignorance of scientists of the Austrian School?
Political concerns means you may be on the wrong side of party politics. Austrian school economics is not on the wrong side of politics but a challenge on the political religion itself. It is suicide for many people to adhere to it, even if they agree with it.
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What I am getting at, is this. I have really always been a libertarian. Even when I went through my whole pacifist stage, it was more me rebelling against the violence of the military, suddenly realizing that the state is responsible for 80-90% of the violence to society.
I have NEVER thought quite like anyone else. When I came across mises.org I was quite suprised that a few people, let alone a goup thought like I do, with such logical fervor.
I will give you an example.
When I was in the 11th grade, we were supposed to sit down and design a government. We were divided into groups and told to come up with laws and such. I literally could not do it. I said, how about we have only a few rules, basically everyone leaving everyone alone and minding there own business. No one forces anyone to do anything. My teacher was incensed. She thought I was being lazy and trying not to work. Truth is, I could not understand all the prohibitions in our society and why the state was neccessary to keep society together.
This is what I mean. I feel in some way that I am different. Mises has clarified and sharpened my thoughts and beliefs, but I am not a libertarian because of Mises. I am slowly coming to the belief that being libertarian may be genetic in some way. some may be incapable of being logical enough and consistent enough.
garegin:i understand. but firms and organizations have internal coordination within themselves. would you say that launching a shuttle or steering a large ship is too chaotic because it involves the direction from the top. should shipcrew simply "self-direct" themselves?
a relevant difference is the voluntary nature of firms and organisation, and also that they cant impose their costs on outsiders.
the crew of the space ship are self directing, since they voluntarily agree to cooperate in a command heirarchy. if they were foolish to do so and loose money or lives, they suffer the costs and perhaps learn their lessons, then they are free to experiment with doing it more centrally planned, or less so.
Stranger:Political concerns means you may be on the wrong side of party politics. Austrian school economics is not on the wrong side of politics but a challenge on the political religion itself. It is suicide for many people to adhere to it, even if they agree with it.
I agree, because I've thrown around quotes by Hayek, Mises, Rothbard, and even Ayn Rand without telling who they were (and I made sure these were quotes that are not often known or referenced) and I found even anthropologists and psychologists who flat out agree. But when I tell them who I am quoting: it all Manchurian Candidate and denouncement.
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