yes, when we are feeling down on ourselves, modest an the like, then we are layman of the austrian school.
I am tremendously deferential to the scholars affiliated with the Mises Institute
on the other hand...........
Dictionary :Economist : an expert in the science of economics Expert : a person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
krazy kaju:As a general rule of thumb, if you don't have a PhD, MS, or MA in economics and you don't work in some kind of economic capacity, you aren't an "economist." If you're not a scholar (which you are not), then don't call yourself a scholar. At best, you and I are laymen of the Austrian school.
What makes someone a scholar? Having learned what you could have learned on your own, but ALSO jumping through the administrative hoops of a cartelized academic system? (the original meaning of university was "monopoly"; also the word "scholar" derives from the Greek word for "leisure") Getting paid for what you'd rather do for free or in the course of promoting a different career (Congressman, investor, teacher, etc)? The very use of the word "laymen" indicates that we should respect those who have been seen fit by the establishment to get those precious letters after their name as priests who have gone through their priestly rites.
We really don't need to play by the mainstream's rules. I think the internet and Mises.org's copyright-free policy changes everything, and allows for the emergence of a self-taught, self-published "guerilla academia" that will break through all artificial barriers that have kept ideas like Keynesianism ensconced and kept the truth out for so many generations. I think that's the way forward. I love Joseph Salerno, and I'm glad that he's able to influence hundreds of students by playing mainstream academia's game. But, honestly I think Peter Schiff has had more success than him via YouTube in spreading economic truth. And interviewers are always calling Schiff an economist: which is great, and makes sense, because in all the ways that are actually important, he is. Also, I've been waiting for Salerno, as the Austrian with the most expertise on monetary theory today, to come out to the fore in public debate and make the Austrian case. But I hardly see any articles by him on LRC or Mises.org. I don't know, maybe he's working on the next great Austrian bestseller that will just blow us away. But I'm worried that he's caught up with faculty committees and such.
Austrian Theory of the Business Cycle in 9 steps (Soliciting comments)
Austrian scholar.
To darkness I condemn you...
I think HHH uses the term anti-intellectual intellectual, not anti-anti-intellectual? IIRC, another Austrian came up with the term, anti-anti-socialist (or anti-anti-communist), but not anti-socialist socialist (or anti-communist communist).
Daniel J. Sanchez: krazy kaju:As a general rule of thumb, if you don't have a PhD, MS, or MA in economics and you don't work in some kind of economic capacity, you aren't an "economist." If you're not a scholar (which you are not), then don't call yourself a scholar. At best, you and I are laymen of the Austrian school. What makes someone a scholar? Having learned what you could have learned on your own, but ALSO jumping through the administrative hoops of a cartelized academic system?
What makes someone a scholar? Having learned what you could have learned on your own, but ALSO jumping through the administrative hoops of a cartelized academic system?
This is the crux of the debate. Do we need a degree or occupation to label, or can an autodidactic just label themselves?
ViennaSausage:This is the crux of the debate. Do we need a degree or occupation to label, or can an autodidactic just label themselves?
I believe that you need the activity to label yourself something. Surely you don't need a degree to call yourself a scholar, but what you need to do is take part in actual scholarly activities, and contribute to the sum of human knowledge somehow, even if it be just by spreading correct theories.
I am becoming a Burkean Whig.
- F.A. Hayek
ViennaSausage:For those that are self-study, do you call your self an Economist, Austrian, Austrian Scholar, other, or nothing?
I call myself a computer engineer student normally, but If associate myself with economics I call myself a Praxeologist.
krazy kaju: As a general rule of thumb, if you don't have a PhD, MS, or MA in economics and you don't work in some kind of economic capacity, you aren't an "economist." If you're not a scholar (which you are not), then don't call yourself a scholar. At best, you and I are laymen of the Austrian school.
As a general rule of thumb, if you don't have a PhD, MS, or MA in economics and you don't work in some kind of economic capacity, you aren't an "economist." If you're not a scholar (which you are not), then don't call yourself a scholar. At best, you and I are laymen of the Austrian school.
You mean like Henry Hazlitt? I don't even think Menger had an economics degree, from what I know he was originally a journalist by profession. The thing is if you have a PhD or an MS/ MA in economics you're probably going to be far more proficient in maths than you will be in economics. Many people in here who have read no more than a few books in Austrian economics will run circles around anybody with an MS or MA in a mainstream university.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
In the words of Bill Hicks:
I'm a reader. There, I said it. I feel better.
I call myself a wouldbe philosopher as I have my own ideas on the issues revolving market phenomena, networks, and cognition.
"The power of liberty going forward is in decentralization. Not in leaders, but in decentralized activism. In a market process." -- liberty student
A philosopher.
The atoms tell the atoms so, for I never was or will but atoms forevermore be.
Yours sincerely,
Physiocrat
A God amongst men.
GilesStratton:A God amongst men.
So you're the Duke?
Bah, now that you've said it I might as well call myself a god of Austrian economics.
laminustacitus: I believe that you need the activity to label yourself something. Surely you don't need a degree to call yourself a scholar, but what you need to do is take part in actual scholarly activities, and contribute to the sum of human knowledge somehow, even if it be just by spreading correct theories.
I really agree with this. Being a student of economics and an economist is not the same.
Daniel J. Sanchez: krazy kaju:As a general rule of thumb, if you don't have a PhD, MS, or MA in economics and you don't work in some kind of economic capacity, you aren't an "economist." If you're not a scholar (which you are not), then don't call yourself a scholar. At best, you and I are laymen of the Austrian school. What makes someone a scholar? Having learned what you could have learned on your own, but ALSO jumping through the administrative hoops of a cartelized academic system? (the original meaning of university was "monopoly"; also the word "scholar" derives from the Greek word for "leisure") Getting paid for what you'd rather do for free or in the course of promoting a different career (Congressman, investor, teacher, etc)? The very use of the word "laymen" indicates that we should respect those who have been seen fit by the establishment to get those precious letters after their name as priests who have gone through their priestly rites. We really don't need to play by the mainstream's rules. I think the internet and Mises.org's copyright-free policy changes everything, and allows for the emergence of a self-taught, self-published "guerilla academia" that will break through all artificial barriers that have kept ideas like Keynesianism ensconced and kept the truth out for so many generations. I think that's the way forward. I love Joseph Salerno, and I'm glad that he's able to influence hundreds of students by playing mainstream academia's game. But, honestly I think Peter Schiff has had more success than him via YouTube in spreading economic truth. And interviewers are always calling Schiff an economist: which is great, and makes sense, because in all the ways that are actually important, he is. Also, I've been waiting for Salerno, as the Austrian with the most expertise on monetary theory today, to come out to the fore in public debate and make the Austrian case. But I hardly see any articles by him on LRC or Mises.org. I don't know, maybe he's working on the next great Austrian bestseller that will just blow us away. But I'm worried that he's caught up with faculty committees and such.
I've never heard Schiff referred to as an economist in any interviews. I could be wrong. But if you don't have the proper credentials, you most likely have not done enough study to call yourself an economist. Sure, you can do it on your own, but it's hard to tell who has genuinely studied in the field and who hasn't without paperwork. That doesn't mean you can't make economic commentary of course.
Daniel J. Sanchez: The problem with that is the fact that a key conclusion of Austrian economics is that, beyond the purely academic pursuit of the study, economists are not very useful to the market.
The problem with that is the fact that a key conclusion of Austrian economics is that, beyond the purely academic pursuit of the study, economists are not very useful to the market.
Economists actually are pretty useful in the market. I believe it's one of the higer paying degrees for undergrads and people with MAs and PhDs who go into the private sector actually do extremely well financially.
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