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Spideynw Posted: Wed, Mar 25 2009 8:20 PM

Please feel free to help me edit this article.  I have added a section "arguments against".

http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_education#References

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BobT replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:27 PM

I like this quote: 

"Since public education is constitutionally mandated by each of the 50 United States[citation needed] (for instance, Article VIII of the Virginia Constitution requires the legislature to "provide for a system of free public elementary and secondary schools for all children of school age throughout the Commonwealth"[2]), its abolition presents a formidable task for anti-education groups."

apparently being against the state-run and tax-funded school system makes us anti-education. >_>

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Dondoolee replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:44 PM

Wikipedia, I coud see that turning into a very uphill and frustrating battle.  As soon as you put in an "arguments against" there will be a counter to that and probably edit wars.  Besides I think if you want to put it in,  "Arguments against Public Education" should be its own article.

Think of it like this, If I had an article on say Communism/ Capitalism/ Jesus the articles are so big and contriversial that I think it must be divided up into as many articles as possible.  The main article on Communism should be trying to keep the facts as dry, clear, and in a way short as possible. There should be a large "See Also" section to it though with "arguments for and arguments against type articles" being links.  See my point? 

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Dondoolee replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:51 PM

That being said I think a full article on "arguments against public education" is a good idea.  I think articles like that are part of wikipedia's great charm and one of its great assets.

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Mark B. replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:53 PM

Somebody beat me to the edit. :)  They changed it to anti-public education.

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:15 PM

Mark B.:

Somebody beat me to the edit. :)  They changed it to anti-public education.

Changed what to "anti-public education"?

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ama gi replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:36 PM

I'm all for an "arguments against" section, but isn´t it just a little bit tactless to put it at the top of the article?  That's one way to make sure that your edits are completely erased and the article locked.

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:45 PM

ama gi:

I'm all for an "arguments against" section, but isn´t it just a little bit tactless to put it at the top of the article?  That's one way to make sure that your edits are completely erased and the article locked.

I would think it is core to the article.  I think any debatable topic should start with a section of arguments for and against.

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Wikipedia really puzzles me. online i trash wikipedia, but in the classroom i try to defend it. Because wikipedia is a really quick and easy source for term-papers and essays

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Don't wanna be a jerk, but the "Arguments against" section needs to have citations and not be so blatantly POV if you want it to stay. Otherwise I can guarantee you that stuff will get deleted.

 

edit- also, wikipedia is likely to have rules about where an "arguments for and against" section should come, so you won't have to make that decision.

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Spideynw replied on Thu, Mar 26 2009 7:51 AM

Nick Ricci:
Don't wanna be a jerk, but the "Arguments against" section needs to have citations and not be so blatantly POV if you want it to stay. Otherwise I can guarantee you that stuff will get deleted.

I did add a reference.  But you think I should make it a note instead?  In regards to only half the funding goes to instruction.

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