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The Middle Class and a worn out phrase

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Dondoolee Posted: Fri, Mar 20 2009 7:11 PM

1) Is there a way to see if  the middle class has statistically less govt workers, corprotists, parasites, bought out special interests, and the ilk?

2) You know those cliched phrases "communism is a great idea but" or "I guess I'm just a socialist at heart", why does that apply to those ideas?  How can socialism or communism be anything but pragmatic?  Why is there no such thing as the cliche of "the free market is a good ideal but..."  it seems like the propaganda war has been lost where the free market (freedom of the individual) has no idealism or nobility attached to the word among normal people, but something as vicious and calculating like communism is seen as noble.

 Let us look then and see, how they manage their concerns- they for whose cause we are to labor, devote ourselves, and grow enthusiastic

 -Max Stirner, The Ego and His Own

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garegin replied on Fri, Mar 20 2009 11:52 PM

the people who are not poor but do not own capital. doctors, lawyers, office workers.

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The Rev replied on Sun, Mar 22 2009 2:59 PM

1) The bureau of labor statistics should help.  I think once you decide on a definition of the middle class, you can compare their data against those criteria for different populations for different job fields. 

2) I think people support socialism and communism "in theory" because they believe that the emphasis of these systems is to make things fair in an unfair world.  The problem is, if you really examine it rationally, you simply can't coerce fairness.  In the most ideal of outcomes, only the coerced class will experience fairness within itself.  The coercive class, on the other hand...

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