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Noam Chomsky on Libertarianism. Nonsense?

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James Greene Posted: Tue, Feb 24 2009 4:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugq86q9KyPE       - 5 minutes in length

This commentary by well known linguist and American foreign policy critic Noam Chomsky is interesting.  It is flat out incorrect disinformation, in my opinion, and is incredibly counterproductive to the cause of freedom.  What do you expect from a guy with the doublethink title "Libertarian Socialist".  Right?

Chomsky actually declares that Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith were anti-capitalist and wanted equality.  I think that they mean equality under law - yes - but not enforced equality by government regulation and redistribution. 

Chomsky also has a very strange description of what "libertarianism" means and it seems like a total fabrication if not outright lie to me.  He asserts that Libertarianism, in the American sense, is total tyranny because he asserts that it entails placing power into the hands of totally unaccountable tyrannies.  He announces this to roaring applause from an audience who clearly do not trust freedom and even fear it.  What do you all think of Chomsky's remarks?

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equack replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 5:37 PM

That YouTube video only serves to support Rothbard's law that people tend to specialize in what they are worst at. Chomsky is primarily and most famously a linguist, however, his "hobby horse" as we saw in that video is denouncing capitalism and advocating a system of anarcho-syndecalism. Noam has been a strong critic of foreign policy which all left-liberals would probably agree with as most libertarians as well. Other than that, his views on economics are quite naive and misinformed.

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zefreak replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 5:53 PM

He is confused, dishonest, or both. How can someone as respected as Choamsky not differentiate between corporatism (and understand that it relies on the State) and capitalism? His "American Libertarian" construct is pure strawman.

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Cork replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 6:22 PM
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Every time I listen to or read Chomsky, I hear a number of totally unsubstantiated and/or false claims.

Jefferson wanted equality and opposed wage labor?  ROFL.  The guy owned slaves for cryin’ out loud!  Freaking slaves!!

The Third World looks the way it does because of unregulated capitalism?  Hahahaha, that’s a good one.  (Might come as a bit of a surprise to Mugabe.)   

Chomsky is just another silly ivory-tower crank, not to be taken seriously.  Like most goofball ‘progressives,’ he has zero expertise in economics but constantly speaks on the subject as if he’s some kind of authority.  For a dissection of his crackpottery, see: http://mises.org/story/1132

It is also worth noting that syndicalism has close ties to fascism.  It’s a bit of an embarrassment to “libertarian socialists,” which is why they rarely bring it up.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_syndicalism 

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Juan replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 6:44 PM
Jefferson wanted equality and opposed wage labor? ROFL. The guy owned slaves for cryin’ out loud! Freaking slaves!!
Well, it makes sense. He opposed wage labor, that's why he wanted slaves. He didn't need to pay wages to his slaves...

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Conza88 replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 6:57 PM

I used to be a Chomskyite. I actually wrote him a letter a year and a half ago. Let's just say, when I recently re-read it - I wanted to go back in time and punch myself in the face.

Anyway, I actually came to know Ron Paul through Chomsky. Haha, someone had spammed 'He was America's last hope' on a Chomsky youtube video, so I checked him out. Haven't turned back since.

I did a critique of his critique of Libertarianism a while back. Which can be found here.

Kind of cool, the student can end up ripping apart the 'master'.

I feel like sending that too him, or re-writing him a letter telling him I've found anarcho-capitalism. Haha, see if I get a response.

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ladyattis replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 7:30 PM

For a man that wrote the Chomsky Normal Form stuff, he sure is a dip on other affairs.

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The traditional anarchist line is that property requires the state to survive. Which is technically true, since without any kind of  "coercive" protection, anyone could simply take anyone's property and do what he wills with it. Thus begins (and ends) the "libertarian socialist" utopia. I find that Spencer gives a good response to this kind of thinking with his distinction between the "industrial" society (acquiring wealth through labour) and the "militant" society (acquiring wealth through theft, aggression, etc). Property is the institution that is designed to protect the industrial society from the militant society.

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Nick. B replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 7:49 PM

We need a good book that will destroy Chomsky's political idiocy.

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equack:

. Noam has been a strong critic of foreign policy which all left-liberals would probably agree with as most libertarians as well. Other than that, his views on economics are quite naive and misinformed.

Actually, if I recall in the 90s he advocated carpet bombing of Serbia.  Anti-war my foot...

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wombatron replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 8:35 PM

sicsempertyrannis:

equack:

. Noam has been a strong critic of foreign policy which all left-liberals would probably agree with as most libertarians as well. Other than that, his views on economics are quite naive and misinformed.

Actually, if I recall in the 90s he advocated carpet bombing of Serbia.  Anti-war my foot...

He's not even consistently anti-war

(shakes head)

 

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DD5 replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 8:48 PM

 

 Chomsky is a mystery! He's a brilliant linguist who not only revolutionized linguistics, but also psychology with his theory of universal grammar and innate language.

 

You would think that given his intellectual achievements, he would have sophisticated reasoning for his antagonism towards libertarianism and Capitalism. I've listened to him a few times and his reasoning is no more sophisticated then a typical Marxist. It's as if some people are hardwired from birth to hate Capitalism.  Some smart people just see it as a challenge to keep trying to refute something despite its logic and consistency.  It's as if they are trying to break a lock or something.

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gocrew replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 9:21 PM

I hate to consider something as black and white as Ayn Rand's idea of builders and destroyers, but I sure as heck can't come up with a better explanation for why someone presumably intelligent can be so stupid about libertarianism.  I nearly sprayed Pepsi out my nose when ol' Chompers explained why Japan had developed as a nation after WWII.

Some people want to see something, and no matter what they actually do see, by gum they are going to see what they want to.  What I cannot figure is why they want to see whatever it is they do want to see.

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I'm reading Mises' "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality" right now. Perhaps it will shed some light on this. haha It's really a shame because he has such a large audience who listen to him and he essentially denounces freedom. The Left seem to think that if true freedom and a limited republic style government were imposed, big business would eat everything alive even worse than it does today. I always point out that big fascist business and big fascist government grow hand in hand - you cannot have one without the other and together they form corporatism. They wrongly distrust the free market and freedom when the blame should really go to state.
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gocrew replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 9:30 PM

In all my disputes with statists, we always go 'round and 'round the same subject.  Whatever problems they pose, I always ask them how monopolizing law and law enforcement is a solution.  You don't trust people?  Then why give people a monopoly of law and law enforcement?  Can't trust business to do what is right by its customers?  Then how can you trust a monopoly?

I spend many long hours insisting on these questions again and again before I finally get some feeble attempt at an answer.

For whatever reason, the statist mindset is strong.

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Conza88 replied on Wed, Feb 25 2009 7:32 AM

He is a "left wing" gate keeper.

Those sane enough to see the US's war of aggression and imperialism are naturally drawn to him, as he is practically the king of foriegn policy on the Campus's. Most quoted academic alive or something or other... Confused

Anyway, those drawn to what he says on FP (mostly truth), follow him into his economic sphere - if not otherwise bumped from the course.

Which is troubling. *shrugs*

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For being such a brilliant linguist, Chomsky continues to mystify me with his ignorance about politics and economics.

He should stick to philosophy of language.

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The modern left love to throw around buzzphrases, with zero empirical illustrations to elaborate their terms. He says the market is tyranny in today's society, yet gives no evidence for this.  Does he really believe that Honda, Verizon, Microsoft, Addidas, Burger King, Barnes&Noble, Geico are tyrannical?  If you got him to answer honesty, he should say no.

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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Conza88:

He is a "left wing" gate keeper.

Those sane enough to see the US's war of aggression and imperialism are naturally drawn to him, as he is practically the king of foriegn policy on the Campus's. Most quoted academic alive or something or other... Confused

Anyway, those drawn to what he says on FP (mostly truth), follow him into his economic sphere - if not otherwise bumped from the course.

Which is troubling. *shrugs*

haha  Yes I have thought about this before.  His intellect is very inviting in many ways but he ultimately leads you into useless leftist politics and he even advocates giving the U.N. increasingly more control over the world because he thinks that individual countries are too irresponsible.  Something odd about this chap indeed!  I was once a huge fan until I realized what freedom was.

 

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His attacks on state-capitalism are amazing. His attacks on anarcho-capitalism are clueless. I think he needs some economy lessons.

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