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alerty posted on Wed, Feb 18 2009 12:13 PM

It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges. Why is that so? Is there anywhere where someone made a free market look at the situation? All i get is that the companys are an oligopoly that is ripping off the consumer and the government is doing nothing about it.

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if they are ripping people off, and its so damn profitable, why isn't there a boom in manufacturing of cartriges by entrepenuers and other competition?

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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alerty replied on Wed, Feb 18 2009 12:33 PM

Thats what i asking.

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Stolz25 replied on Wed, Feb 18 2009 12:33 PM

I don't see much reason that they'd be able to keep an oligopoly.  Printers are pretty easy to make, and there aren't any real barriers to entry there.  There is absolutely nothing to keep you from selling your own printer with cheap cartridges if you want.  My guess is that companies have found out when buying a printer very few people give a crap about the cost of ink replacements, instead worrying about that when they have to buy them, at which point it's too late.  As soon as market demands cheaper cartridges instead of other features, someone will supply it.

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alerty:
It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges
who is judging this?

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

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alerty replied on Wed, Feb 18 2009 12:40 PM

nirgrahamUK:

alerty:
It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges
who is judging this?

 

Many hardware websites and many people that work in the area.

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alerty:
It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges.

 

Compared to what? What alternative is cheaper than it?

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alerty replied on Wed, Feb 18 2009 12:51 PM

Nerditarian:

alerty:
It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges.

 

Compared to what? What alternative is cheaper than it?

I don't know. It don't seem that so little ink costs so much, also the cartridges break very fast. You never had problems with this?

 

You can look at google. Anti free-market people love to bring the cartridge problem to attack capitalism. Maybe i expressed myself wrong here, i not like throwing a challenge here, i thought some of you people could elaborate more on the problem.

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alerty:

Nerditarian:

alerty:
It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges.

 

Compared to what? What alternative is cheaper than it?

I don't know. It don't seem that so little ink costs so much, also the cartridges break very fast. You never had problems with this?

 

You can look at google. Anti free-market people love to bring the cartridge problem to attack capitalism. Maybe i expressed myself wrong here, i not like throwing a challenge here, i thought some of you people could elaborate more on the problem.

But it's only the anti-capitalist mentality assumes that this is a problem. Capitalism creates comparative advantages for all parties involved. These cartridges offer a comparative advantage to the consumer over other messages of printing and replicating images and texts. That is why the consumer purchases them warts and all. Does anyone have another explanation?

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I wonder if the paper printing of the FED has any effect on the price of ink cartridges? More State tyranny I proclaim! 

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alerty:
Anti free-market people love to bring the cartridge problem to attack capitalism. Maybe i expressed myself wrong here, i not like throwing a challenge here, i thought some of you people could elaborate more on the problem.

There's nothing to compare the prices of printer cartidges with, its a impossible analysis.

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read my post again slowly, and think about it

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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alerty:

It´s normal nowadays to see printers with expensive cartridges. Why is that so? Is there anywhere where someone made a free market look at the situation? All i get is that the companys are an oligopoly that is ripping off the consumer and the government is doing nothing about it.

if people allege that it could be profitable to produce less-expensive cartdiges, but that its not happening because the people who are currently doing the producing dont want to change their ways, the best response is to challenge them to prove it by starting up a business in the industry and outcompeting the laggards.

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

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alerty replied on Wed, Feb 18 2009 1:15 PM

 I know that... that's what i thinking, and that's why i came to this forum... But i thought someone could have made a more profound analyses of the situation. So, you are saying that the print and cartridge market is just perfect? People will just answer you back with some: well, now you see that those theories about the free market are good at theory but at the real world it just don't work like that.

 

I no expert on the situation, far from it, i just curious about it, why so many people complain about it? I myself had already many problem with cartridges breaking a lot, been very expensive.

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alerty:
So, you are saying that the print and cartridge market is just perfect?

Nothing is perfect, the market strives constantly for equilibrium between supply and demand, but it's impossible to actually achieve because everything is constantly changing.

I think perhaps one of your premises is wrong here.  You're argument would go something like this.

Austrian economics says that supply will rise to meet demand if it is possible.  (I'm not actually sure if this one is true)

People are demanding cheaper printer cartridges, it is possible to produce them, yet the market isn't providing them, therefore, austrian economics is wrong.

Several of these assumptions are impossible to measure.

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