What are you talking about?
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
That still doesn't advocate your case. The most common factor here is that smaller countries offer more freedom.
you12: That still doesn't advocate your case. The most common factor here is that smaller countries offer more freedom.
What's your point? By the way, in terms of economic freedom Saudi Arabia isn't too bad.
I think that there should be a grid made of various attributes that make a nation libertarian or un-libertarian. The other set of possible values would be the various nations.
May be smaller countries are better options for freedom than monarchs or one religion states. And what the hell am I suppose to do with economic freedom if I constantly fear persecution.
you12:May be smaller countries are better options for freedom than monarchs or one religion states.
So what? The two are not mutually exclusive.
you12:And what the hell am I suppose to do with economic freedom if I constantly fear persecution.
Lobby the state to protect your specific lifestyle, of course.
you12: Saudi Arabia is a perfect example, its a kingdom, one religion and one ethnicity/race but not free.
Saudi Arabia is a perfect example, its a kingdom, one religion and one ethnicity/race but not free.
The Muslims seem pretty happy with it. In fact, every year millions of them voluntarily emigrate to the place. I don't hear the Amish complaining about how they can't wear bright colors or miniskirts either.
laminustacitus:They follow logically from the principle that a state/ property owner can own what they have not homesteaded, which is not true.
Logically, you may be as right as rain. Practically, indiscriminate multicultural immigration is cultural and political suicide for libertarians.
February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
Byzantine: The Muslims seem pretty happy with it. In fact, every year millions of them voluntarily emigrate to the place.
The Muslims seem pretty happy with it. In fact, every year millions of them voluntarily emigrate to the place.
Huh? I would like to see a source for those "millions". I'd very suprised if Saudi Arabia recieves a significant amount of immigration. Or are you referring to the "guest workers" that go there because the local Saudi youth can't be arsed to do lowly jobs like streetsweeping?
Ever heard of the haj? You sound like somebody who's idea of diversity is the mall food court.
Powdered Toast Man:Or are you referring to the "guest workers" that go there because the local Saudi youth can't be arsed to do lowly jobs like streetsweeping
So in addition to the haj, Saudi Arabia also receives hundreds of thousands of workers who go there to earn money for their families rather than starve back home. Good for the Saudis.
Probably more so than the shrieking of Argentinian dilettantes.
Byzantine: you12:Saudi Arabia is a perfect example, its a kingdom, one religion and one ethnicity/race but not free.The Muslims seem pretty happy with it. In fact, every year millions of them voluntarily emigrate to the place.
you12:Saudi Arabia is a perfect example, its a kingdom, one religion and one ethnicity/race but not free.
Many of Saudi Arabia's 6-million foreign workers labor under conditions that are sometimes compared to "modern-day slavery.''
Boo effing hoo. Stay in Sri Lanka.
Charles Anthony: Byzantine: you12:Saudi Arabia is a perfect example, its a kingdom, one religion and one ethnicity/race but not free.The Muslims seem pretty happy with it. In fact, every year millions of them voluntarily emigrate to the place. Indeed, they do: Many of Saudi Arabia's 6-million foreign workers labor under conditions that are sometimes compared to "modern-day slavery.''
The fact that workers would go to Saudia Arabia for work, even though its "modern day slavery", displays the fact that they prefer the potential for work in Saudia Arabia, than the conditions they face where they were originally. There is no need to bring up the argumentum ad misericordiam that "modern day slavery" is.
I am becoming a Burkean Whig.
- F.A. Hayek
laminustacitus:The fact that workers would go to Saudia Arabia for work, even though its "modern day slavery", displays the fact that they prefer the potential for work in Saudia Arabia, than
Re-read the article and you will see that the workers are deceived about the work, they are not free to leave after they find out and they are threatened with violence. That is slavery.
Byzantine: Ever heard of the haj? You sound like somebody who's idea of diversity is the mall food court.
I'm very impressed by your witty insults and superiour knowledge of the world. That said, I associate something ,you know, more permanent with the word "emigrate" than a pilgrimage.
And I also doubt most pilgrims give a rat's ass about the internal politics of Saudi Arabia unless they run afoul of the religious police or something.
The millions of devout Muslims who go to Saudi Arabia voluntarily don't seem to have a problem with religious police. You need to mind your own effing business.
I think it could be interesting to make some reflections not only about the "official" libertarian level established by rules and laws of one nation, but also about the "unofficial" libertarian level based on real actions of one nation' people. Here in Italy, for example, there's a suffocating system of public institutions with all their bureaucracies and rules and an high level of all kind of taxes, but a lot of people simply try to ignore them and act in their own interest.
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