Karl Ludwig von Haller
apparently the state burned some of his books
do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?
February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
Juan:"After many wanderings, he came to Vienna, where he was court secretary of the council of war, from 1801 till 1806. " Council of war ? Libertarian ? "Public opinion at home resulted in his being recalled by the Bernese Government in 1806, and appointed professor of political law at the newly founded higher school of the academy. When the old aristocratic regime was reinstated, he became a member of the sovereign Great Council, and soon after also of the privy council of the Bernese Republic." Sounds like a conservative to me... "All his later writings are influenced by the ideas here set forth, and oppose vigorously the revolutionary tendencies of the times and the champions of liberalism in Church and State." What exactly is 'libertarian' about a reactionary conservative... ?
He was anti-nationalist and was worried about giant government bureaucracies.
"I cannot prove, but am prepared to affirm, that if you take care of clarity in reasoning, most good causes will take care of themselves, while some bad ones are taken care of as a matter of course." -Anthony de Jasay
ok?
Boehm and Mises were high ranking consuls to the Austrian government, are they not libertarian?
Forgive Juan, he thinks this is a forum of monarchists.
Good find Fez. I agree with Juan. Karl Ludwig von Haller is a libertarian.
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Haller's magnum opus, however, was the Restauration der Staatswissenschaft oder Theorie des naturich-geselligen Zustandes, der Chimare des kunstlich-burgerlichen entgegengesetzt. It was published in Winterthur in six volumes from 1816 to 1834. In this he uncompromisingly rejects the revolutionary conception of the State, and constructs a natural and juridical system of government, arguing at the same time that a commonwealth can endure and prosper without being founded on the omnipotence of the state and official bureaucracy. The first volume, which appeared in 1816, contains his history and his rejection of the older political theories, and also sets forth the general principles of his system of government. In the succeeding volumes he shows how these principles apply to different forms of government: in the second to monarchies; in the third (1888) to military powers; in the fourth (1820) and fifth (1834) to ecclesiastical states; and in the sixth (1825) to republics. It was written primarily to counteract Jean-Jacques Rousseau's The Social Contract. The book in its entirety was translated into Italian, part of it into French, and an abridged version into English, Latin and Spanish. All his later writings are influenced by the ideas here set forth, and oppose vigorously the revolutionary tendencies of the times and the champions of liberalism in Church and State.
I would most certaintly call him a libertarian; more specifically, a proto-Hoppes libertarian, methinks.
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Juan:Excuse me ? It is obvious that Herr Haller was a conservative. The quoted article makes it very clear.
You've selectively quoted. Congratulations.
I don't know anything about von Haller, but if you hate him in the same way you hate Hoppe he must have been on to something.
In this he uncompromisingly rejects the revolutionary conception of the State, and constructs a natural and juridical system of government, arguing at the same time that a commonwealth can endure and prosper without being founded on the omnipotence of the state and official bureaucracy.
Juan:Right. A guy who fits this description is a libertarian. "All his later writings are influenced by the ideas here set forth, and oppose vigorously the revolutionary tendencies of the times and the champions of liberalism in Church and State"
So you're assuming that by "liberalism" they mean private property anarchism, huh? A bit of a stretch there.
I don't know anything about von Haller, but if you hate him as much as Hoppe he must have been on to something.
Juan:Right. A guy who fits this description is a libertarian.
I knew you would come around.
Juan:I think I'm correctly assuming that.
Yeah, that's a common usage. That's why people call Barack Obama a liberal, its his market anarchism.
Edit: Its also a wiki article written within the last few years.
his book Restauration of Science and state, according to wiki makes the argument that 'laws' provisioned by the state are not necessary, later Hegel attacked Haller.
Google Book SearchHard to judge with so little info on him, but from the google bits he was not a Libertarian at all. He opposed the modern buerocratic state, but he seems a fierce defender of the statist (aristocratic) privilege. He sounds like a fairly typical reactionary of his time with their arguments for the state as a natural `moral body` and speaking up for bogus divine rights. Except he seems to belive his propaganda so much he thinks there is very little coercion about the rule of kings.
EDIT:
Link1Haller’s major work, Die Restauration der Staatswissenschaft, a defense of, among other things, local, territorial, and family-based rule in the Swiss cantons, was published in the early 1830s, about fifteen years before Calhoun wrote his two dense tracts as the advocate inter alia an American manorial society.
Link2If we digg a little deeper maybe we can guess he had some good concepts defending the traditional Swiss administration, but using that to justify the rule of monarchs was reactionary and over the top.
I'm having trouble finding english translations of his magnum opus
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