Many years ago, a man took his case to the Supreme Court of the US. He case was against proper trial representation. Until that time if you could not afford a lawyer, you did not get one.
So.....how can a fundamental right be left to the market???
I am not in favor of either, private or public healthcare/education.
I am in favor of QUALITY healthcare and education for ALL. If we can have the greatest army, we can have the greatest healthcare system and best education.
How do we get there??...........I don’t care. But let's agree to make this..........a fundamental right.
If you are forced to pay for wars anyways, and there is nothing you can do about it, why not pay a little bit more to save some of your countrymen???
How about I pay for neither, eh?
-Jon
To darkness I condemn you...
No, what you desire is a right to steal other people's money to pay for healthcare.
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Cesar: Many years ago, a man took his case to the Supreme Court of the US. He case was against proper trial representation. Until that time if you could not afford a lawyer, you did not get one. So.....how can a fundamental right be left to the market??? I am not in favor of either, private or public healthcare/education. I am in favor of QUALITY healthcare and education for ALL. If we can have the greatest army, we can have the greatest healthcare system and best education. How do we get there??...........I don’t care. But let's agree to make this..........a fundamental right.
Idiotic nonsense; do you really mean stealing from others in order to provide this fundamental right, or are you talking about the *right to access* the healthcare & education in market? Do you mean forcing others to provide at the expense of no compensation (forced "voluntary" service in healthcare & education) or do you mean the right to access healthcare & education provided by true voluntary services? A fundamental right, or entitlements, do not truly exist in the free-market: they are parasitic, involuntary, & coercive. They would be called for what they are (in this order): stealing, wrong, & criminal.You make your own fundamental rights in the free-market. This is obviously a hard concept to think about growing up in a society where everyone worships a nebulous Big Brother or a Nanny to take care of everything for them, in exchange for their dignity/freedom/intelligence/souls/etc. This is even harder when said society co-opts the original intentions of the Constitution for political double-speak, while treating it like the somewhat worthless piece of paper it is increasingly become nowadays.Perhaps it all started out with people viewing that the Constitution entitles them to "inalienable rights", & the politicians taking advantage of this perception & contorting for their own purposes, history & honesty be damned.If you really want entitlements, buy a ticket to the Inauguration & get yourself a bullhorn; everyone else will be there to shout out their demands alongside the very companies screwing them over bailouts, because companies that are too big too fall are "entitled" to survive, after all.
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I think from an Economics point of view, I guess you do it from a business man point of view, since you argument is based on "free markets". Let's keep it simple. The greatest product our Capitalistic society has created is "to make every man think as if he/she is rich” ………..so don’t mess with my money. People prefer to watch "who wants to be a millionaire, rather than other productive activities. But again they are free in a free market...........right???
You call my idea stealing, wrong and criminal. So I repeat, I think from an Economics point of view and to me this whole thing of healthcare and education (even if provided by "forced" taxation) creates benefits unable to be put in a balance sheet or income statement like you would have it done in your free market world.
It is in my opinion……… a socio-economic "Investment".
Nitroadict: Cesar: Many years ago, a man took his case to the Supreme Court of the US. He case was against proper trial representation. Until that time if you could not afford a lawyer, you did not get one. So.....how can a fundamental right be left to the market??? I am not in favor of either, private or public healthcare/education. I am in favor of QUALITY healthcare and education for ALL. If we can have the greatest army, we can have the greatest healthcare system and best education. How do we get there??...........I don’t care. But let's agree to make this..........a fundamental right. Idiotic nonsense; do you really mean stealing from others in order to provide this fundamental right, or are you talking about the *right to access* the healthcare & education in market? Do you mean forcing others to provide at the expense of no compensation (forced "voluntary" service in healthcare & education) or do you mean the right to access healthcare & education provided by true voluntary services? A fundamental right, or entitlements, do not truly exist in the free-market: they are parasitic, involuntary, & coercive. They would be called for what they are (in this order): stealing, wrong, & criminal.You make your own fundamental rights in the free-market. This is obviously a hard concept to think about growing up in a society where everyone worships a nebulous Big Brother or a Nanny to take care of everything for them, in exchange for their dignity/freedom/intelligence/souls/etc. This is even harder when said society co-opts the original intentions of the Constitution for political double-speak, while treating it like the somewhat worthless piece of paper it is increasingly become nowadays.Perhaps it all started out with people viewing that the Constitution entitles them to "inalienable rights", & the politicians taking advantage of this perception & contorting for their own purposes, history & honesty be damned.If you really want entitlements, buy a ticket to the Inauguration & get yourself a bullhorn; everyone else will be there to shout out their demands alongside the very companies screwing them over bailouts, because companies that are too big too fall are "entitled" to survive, after all.
GilesStratton: No, what you desire is a right to steal other people's money to pay for healthcare.
How much is your lithium? I might chip in for you to take it.
NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS". Almost making a religion or holiness out of it. I would suggest instead of markets to think economics.
YOu see economics is a SOCIAL .......well let me repeat SOCIAL...........SCIENSE. And markets is just an area it covers.
Cesar: NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS". Amost making a religion or holiness out of it. I would suggest instead of markets to think economics. YOu see economics is a SOCIAL .......well let me repeat SOCIAL...........SCIENSE. And markets is just an area it covers.
NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS". Amost making a religion or holiness out of it. I would suggest instead of markets to think economics.
Extremits = Extremists, you mean? Thanks for telling me, in political doublespeak, that I'm consistiently for a free-market. Please consider doing the following before I, or anyone else for that matter, takes you seriously:1.) It's the 21st Century, please use spell check.2.) Please stop using random font sizes & CAPS LOCK. On the Internet, CAPS LOCK implies shouting; please consider other's when using it. What the hell does " I would suggest instead of markets to think economics." mean? The last I checked, markets were an integral part of Econommics 101; hell, Pre-Economics 098, for that matter. Please make a coherent sentence; if English is truly not a first or second language for you, then I apologize, but otherwise, your posts seem like deliberate eyesores.
Cesar: Philosophically speaking ......................If I were truly free............I could harm you and no police or government should interfere............right??? So..........government or society or whatever you call stole away some of that natural freedom of mine to preserve your fundamental right for peace and life (social order or whatever you call it). So................philosophically I ask you.....................what's wrong with stealing???? Or to you.....would it make it different if their steal your rights as much as your money???
What I have to wonder, is why on earth you come on these forums spout this nonsense without taking time the study any of the literature to which we adhere.
Although to answer your question, the right to coerce others doesn't follow from the right to not be coerced.
Cesar:NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS".
The pot calling the kettle black here, as you're obviously a "SOCIALIST EXTREMIST". You say this is a social issue, and that we all trade liberties for these fundamental rights. Yet most of us do not chose to do this, it is forced upon us. You may steal anything of mine that you like, but I carry a gun and will shoot you the second you try and do so. And you're wrong about the greatest benefit of capitalism; its not "to make every man think as if he/she is rich" but rather to set every man free of men. To remove your whims from my life without my consent. The idea of healthcare as a "fundamental right" is crazy. Everyone has access to the healthcare system in the US, the issue is paying for it. You want to combat healthcare issues, combat the real problem, POVERTY. And if you want info on how redistributing wealth and handouts are the absolute worst way to combat poverty, spend 30 minutes searching through this forum, you'll find plenty.
Cesar: I think from an Economics point of view, I guess you do it from a business man point of view, since you argument is based on "free markets". Let's keep it simple. The greatest product our Capitalistic society has created is "to make every man think as if he/she is rich” ………..so don’t mess with my money. People prefer to watch "who wants to be a millionaire, rather than other productive activities. But again they are free in a free market...........right??? You call my idea stealing, wrong and criminal. So I repeat, I think from an Economics point of view and to me this whole thing of healthcare and education (even if provided by "forced" taxation) creates benefits unable to be put in a balance sheet or income statement like you would have it done in your free market world. It is in my opinion……… a socio-economic "Investment".
If you can explain to me that any given idea in Economics has a justified, ideological monopoly over the field of Economics itself, I believe I have an investment in Nigeria that you might be interested in. If you do this without justifying your explanation on your own subjective views & opinions, & give me some valid reasons that would rock my little free-market world to it's knees & make me question my life's worth, then I would also like to sell you some Oxy-Clean, lock, stock, & barrell. PROTIP: Doing Research Might Help: Yes / No ?
I was loving our discussions here until you changed subject to English Composition. Yes, English is my second language, in fact I dont even have a first language.
Also I dont care what CAPS means, when I use it .....please notice that my only intention is make important.
Going back to Economics. If you make Markets=Economics, in my opinion is wrong. Economics is more than that. HELLO....we are still writing/making this science.
Nitroadict: Cesar: NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS". Amost making a religion or holiness out of it. I would suggest instead of markets to think economics. YOu see economics is a SOCIAL .......well let me repeat SOCIAL...........SCIENSE. And markets is just an area it covers. Extremits = Extremists, you mean? Thanks for telling me, in political doublespeak, that I'm consistiently for a free-market. Please consider doing the following before I, or anyone else for that matter, takes you seriously:1.) It's the 21st Century, please use spell check.2.) Please stop using random font sizes & CAPS LOCK. On the Internet, CAPS LOCK implies shouting; please consider other's when using it. What the hell does " I would suggest instead of markets to think economics." mean? The last I checked, markets were an integral part of Econommics 101; hell, Pre-Economics 098, for that matter. Please make a coherent sentence; if English is truly not a first or second language for you, then I apologize, but otherwise, your posts seem like deliberate eyesores.
Cesar: Normal 0 21 false false false PT X-NONE X-NONE MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 I think from an Economics point of view, I guess you do it from a business man point of view, since you argument is based on "free markets". Let's keep it simple. The greatest product our Capitalistic society has created is "to make every man think as if he/she is rich” ………..so don’t mess with my money. People prefer to watch "who wants to be a millionaire, rather than other productive activities. But again they are free in a free market...........right??? You call my idea stealing, wrong and criminal. So I repeat, I think from an Economics point of view and to me this whole thing of healthcare and education (even if provided by "forced" taxation) creates benefits unable to be put in a balance sheet or income statement like you would have it done in your free market world. It is in my opinion……… a socio-economic "Investment".
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YOU’RE FULL OF NONSENSE
tbh I'm having quite a bit of difficulty making out what Cesar is trying to say.
I agree with about poverty. However, always the hot topic is income equality. How much is too much or too low??? No one knows.
But I think like that Chinese wise man that Education could be the beggining. I truly believe class differences decreases a lot when both rich and poor have closely the same level of education.
JParker: Cesar:NO OFFENSE but a lot of you guys have gone "FREE MARKET EXTREMITS". The pot calling the kettle black here, as you're obviously a "SOCIALIST EXTREMIST". You say this is a social issue, and that we all trade liberties for these fundamental rights. Yet most of us do not chose to do this, it is forced upon us. You may steal anything of mine that you like, but I carry a gun and will shoot you the second you try and do so. And you're wrong about the greatest benefit of capitalism; its not "to make every man think as if he/she is rich" but rather to set every man free of men. To remove your whims from my life without my consent. The idea of healthcare as a "fundamental right" is crazy. Everyone has access to the healthcare system in the US, the issue is paying for it. You want to combat healthcare issues, combat the real problem, POVERTY. And if you want info on how redistributing wealth and handouts are the absolute worst way to combat poverty, spend 30 minutes searching through this forum, you'll find plenty.
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