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DBratton replied on Fri, Nov 21 2008 3:36 AM

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Blackwater is already submitting applications.  Give them a green light, and the problem will disappear.

I don't think it will. They're not going to stop piracy one pirate gang at a time. The potential payoff for seizing a ship is just too great. To make a difference they will have to go after the ports the pirates are using, and the government isn't going to use Blackwater mercenaries for that. I think we will be seeing US soldiers in Somalia again before long.

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Fephisto replied on Fri, Nov 21 2008 7:28 AM

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The freighting companies should pay for some damn security. End of story.

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The biggest tanker ever hijacked, Sirius Star is carrying a cargo of two million barrels of oil - a quarter of Saudi Arabia's daily output - worth more than $100m (£67m). 
yay! The pirates are doing a good job at attacking the state! Keep up the good work! :)
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sirmonty replied on Mon, Nov 24 2008 9:01 AM

Blackwater surely has some ex-SEALs that would be perfect for this job.

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Byzantine replied on Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:39 AM

You stop piracy the way the British navy did:  sink their vessel upon detection.  This is one of the few things most people really would pay the government to do, and it doesn't even do that.  Apparently, all those fancy gizmos and all those troops are only good for overruning oil-rich countries headed by unpopular dictators.  Tell people this enough times, and even the most deluded start asking themselves just what it is they're paying the State for.

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"In any case, this is definitely not a good publicity for the anarchist movement."

Well that is certainly a collectivist outlook.

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Why? The STATE is more evil. Atleast the pirates are operating privately. And they are in Somalian waters, no?
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Byzantine replied on Sun, Nov 30 2008 6:08 PM

In order to answer your question, you have to decide whether the pirates are "private" or "Somalian."  But if they're private, they're still taking property that isn't theirs.

If anarchists were smart and practical, and hence organized and profit-seeking, they could strike a major blow for their cause by offering protection from criminals where the State is unwilling or unable to offer it.

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They can be both. Theyre people that label themselves as "Somalians" and they are taking over ships that try to dump waste into their waters or choose to disrespect their maritime claims over the waters off the coast of Somalia.
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How is it "their waters?"  And what body of law are you referring to?  Somalia would have a claim out to three miles under international law, but there's really no such thing as "Somalia."

Thugs as some sort of romanticized environmental privateers--the left is completely delusional.

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Why? The STATE is more evil. Atleast the pirates are operating privately. And they are in Somalian waters, no?



You are making the mistake of ignoring the fundamental nature of Somalia' anarchism, which is tribal based.  If an anarchist and/or libertarian sympathizer, who was not part of any tribe / family / bloodline etc. went to Somalia to 'git sum anarchy done', the reception would be met with indifference & possibly a gun if you don't know how to speak their language (miscommunication, lol!). 

I do not mean to be overtly harsh, but that is a very possible scenario; I believe Twirlcan spoke of similar realities earlier in a related threads when Somalia's anarchism was getting more attention on this forum. 

That said, excusing pirating because they are operating privately gives the exact fuel to the idiot Statist-Leftists who instantly view anything private as evil, & that makes them eat more propaganda from the Statist-Right regarding the private enterprises of the free-market, blah blah blah blah   

As an anarchist, in a stateless society, would you plunder any other anarchist that came across you?  No?  Well then you should not be rooting for these guys, unless you have a desire for some schadenfreude in Pirates making other States scratching their heads at what to do with a type of Stateless society and/or anarchistic actions, which I admit, I do ponder sometimes.   

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