Natalie: Obviously, the state needs healthy workers. If you're very sick and possible dying you're a drain of resources and it's cheaper just to let you die. That's why I always want to LOL whenever someone tells me how the private providers "only care for profit" therefore the government should be the one to provide healthcare, education, etc (whatever the speaker thinks everyone has a right to). Yes, the for profit private providers react to the rise in demand by expanding their operations. The government, on the other hand, views healthcare as an expense and would rather cut it by denying service to the least valuable (to them) groups of population. I wonder why it's so hard for people to understand...
Obviously, the state needs healthy workers. If you're very sick and possible dying you're a drain of resources and it's cheaper just to let you die. That's why I always want to LOL whenever someone tells me how the private providers "only care for profit" therefore the government should be the one to provide healthcare, education, etc (whatever the speaker thinks everyone has a right to). Yes, the for profit private providers react to the rise in demand by expanding their operations. The government, on the other hand, views healthcare as an expense and would rather cut it by denying service to the least valuable (to them) groups of population. I wonder why it's so hard for people to understand...
In America suicide is illegal. Because the government owns us, and doesn't want to destroy it's own property.
Spideynw: Panarchy:How do we educate the Masses? I have not read through the thread so maybe this has been suggested, but I think one of the best ways would be through a computer game that rewards users for freer economies and that they win when they eliminate government.
Panarchy:How do we educate the Masses?
I have not read through the thread so maybe this has been suggested, but I think one of the best ways would be through a computer game that rewards users for freer economies and that they win when they eliminate government.
Hmm...
Okay, sounds like a good project for me.
I'm still a student, so expect a beta release late next year.
Early or in the middle of next year I will brainstorm ideas for it on this forum.
Panarchy
thebob:A maybe interesting theme for a game would be a heavy state controlled economy, where you have to take back policies (to win) and you can see people reorganizing and making things better. Of course, there would be the creative destruction and unions and protests or something, but in the end, if you do it right everything is fine. But this game would be very hard to pull of.
I could start it off as a text based game...
how about wikipedia? it's the sole source of knowledge for all youth nowaday.
a good start would be fixing this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008
Maybe I'm just biased, but I think that Wikipedia is a god-awful place for any intellectual discussion. Corrupt and incompetent admins will try to shut out a lot of opinions that diverge from theirs via stupid rules and such. The majority of the active editors are intellectually both dishonest and immature. Not only that, but the overt egalitarianism and consensus-based editing system reminds me far too much of democracy, including the presence of a clear oligarchy of unscrupulous and non-disinterested editors. See this discussion here below for a little more about it.
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/4855.aspx
On the other hand, vandalism of articles is pretty loltastic.
marcbragh: how about wikipedia? it's the sole source of knowledge for all youth nowaday. a good start would be fixing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007-2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007-2008
Hmm... there's an interesting article.
Someone needs to make a sub heading;
Why this is happening
:P
Also, how about this article... needs some more 'aspects' doesn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government
Perhaps something under this heading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government#Negative_aspects_of_government
Oh, I'm just itching to 'edit this page'... ;)
Someone help me out with it! (Panarchy is my wiki name as well)
Thanks in advance,
Panarchy: Hi Yes, I've asked the question. How do we educate the Masses? How do we teach people that government isn't the only way? How do we inform them of the advantages of the free market? How do we teach them that government is inherently corrupt? How do we 'get rid' of the government? (90% sure it doesn't have to be done violently) Basically, how do we get the message accross, and 'enlighten' the masses? Panarchy PS: I am an Anarchist, as I believe Panarchy will 'prosper'
Hi
Yes, I've asked the question.
How do we educate the Masses?
How do we teach people that government isn't the only way?
How do we inform them of the advantages of the free market?
How do we teach them that government is inherently corrupt?
How do we 'get rid' of the government? (90% sure it doesn't have to be done violently)
Basically, how do we get the message accross, and 'enlighten' the masses?
PS: I am an Anarchist, as I believe Panarchy will 'prosper'
Well here's my two cents. 1. We have to make the movement more attractive and stylish without becoming superficial. 2. Two we have to have our own form of "propaganda of the deed" . Doesn't have to be violent, but it does have to be something that the mainstream media will find interesting and be willing to cover. 3. We have to start organising outside of the computer screen; it's high time we've had organisation outside of computers and college campuses, its ridiculous that it has'nt happened yet! 4. We have to know who to target the strongest, these,in my opinion, should be:
a. the young
b. the middle class
c. the disenfranchised
d. the "illegal immigrants" (strongest emphasis on this group)
I hope that helped. :)
Im trying to convert a person who was a big Bob LINO Barr supporter on youtube right now. It isn't working out too well, haha. " Are you stupid or something? Without the federal reserve, I will have to carry around big bags of gold and silver all day!"
ehh......
Nick. B: Well here's my two cents. 1. We have to make the movement more attractive and stylish without becoming superficial. 2. Two we have to have our own form of "propaganda of the deed" . Doesn't have to be violent, but it does have to be something that the mainstream media will find interesting and be willing to cover. 3. We have to start organising outside of the computer screen; it's high time we've had organisation outside of computers and college campuses, its ridiculous that it has'nt happened yet! 4. We have to know who to target the strongest
Well here's my two cents. 1. We have to make the movement more attractive and stylish without becoming superficial. 2. Two we have to have our own form of "propaganda of the deed" . Doesn't have to be violent, but it does have to be something that the mainstream media will find interesting and be willing to cover. 3. We have to start organising outside of the computer screen; it's high time we've had organisation outside of computers and college campuses, its ridiculous that it has'nt happened yet! 4. We have to know who to target the strongest
1. You mean like a catchy name and slogan?
2. Maybe something like a movie/documentary that will explain our ideals across to the masses (I can help with the script, my brother is also a writer)
3. Aww... we still need a nice catchy website... eh? Maybe tie this in with the documentary.
4. The strongest? Maybe just the masses, easiest way to target the masses is via the media. So all we need to get is publicity for the documentary, everything should fall into place after that.
What are your thoughts on what I've just said?
PS: I fucking hate this forum software, by mistake I pressed the backspace button when I wasn't in the textbox and subsequently lost all my reply. FUCK. I had written some more (and different) stuff... Arghhh!!!!
This forum software is different. I like it. It's not as good as others, but has different features.
Does take some getting used to however.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
Panarchy: 1. You mean like a catchy name and slogan?
Yes and more we have to get our message across through clothing lines, comic books, music, and fine art of all kinds. In a pro-market society, political idealolagy is a market product, and, as such has to be advertised in a fashionable, attractive, and cool way. And also as one of our mottos I suggest "HUMAN FREEDOM" it's simple, pretty catchy, and makes it clear everybody and anybody's freedom will be defended and amplifies that this is an "everymans" movement, and, also as a symbol, we should definitly revive the black rose!
Panarchy: 2. Maybe something like a movie/documentary that will explain our ideals across to the masses (I can help with the script, my brother is also a writer)
Don't just stop at documentries, also focus on movies that will portray us in a positive light: Iconoclastic,rebellious, fighters for true liberty. And also we should explore "Hacktivism" and other new forms of civil disobiedance; anything that will pique Main Stream Media's interest. Propaganda of the deed is meant to make people know we exist and make them curious about our cause and have some of them hopefully join us. MSM just does this unknowingly just by reporting our activities
Panarchy: 3. Aww... we still need a nice catchy website... eh? Maybe tie this in with the documentary.
This is true and should be. Also all websites should encourage organisation and activity outside of the computer, and, encourage meeting up with fellow AnCaps.
to be continued...
Nick. B:Don't just stop at documentries, also focus on movies that will portray us in a positive light: Iconoclastic,rebellious, fighters for true liberty. And also we should explore "Hacktivism" and other new forms of civil disobiedance; anything that will pique Main Stream Media's interest. Propaganda of the deed is meant to make people know we exist and make them curious about our cause and have some of them hopefully join us. MSM just does this unknowingly just by reporting our activities
Civil Disobedience? Not to be crude, but you could always expand the movement through 4chan...
I ran into this site called libhotties.com, and if I am understanding this correctly,it is basically a bunch of girls trying to lure more guys into libertarianism. It has Mises.org as a recommended link too. I was wondering what you guys thought about this? I guess it could attract some people, but I think it is slightly emberassing for some odd reason. Would a guy really become a libertarian only because an attractive female asked him too? I think the girls on the site are statists, but maybe I am wrong. I was just wondering what your comments were about this unusual tactic. (the site is G rated if anyone was wondering, lol)
Eric:I ran into this site called libhotties.com, and if I am understanding this correctly,it is basically a bunch of girls trying to lure more guys into libertarianism. It has Mises.org as a recommended link too. I was wondering what you guys thought about this?
Use every resource avalable! If we don't somebody else will.
Eric:I guess it could attract some people, but I think it is slightly emberassing for some odd reason. Would a guy really become a libertarian only because an attractive female asked him too?
Yes! Sadly people are more influenced by their emotions than by their intellect. A somber truth. [:'(]
Eric:I think the girls on the site are statists, but maybe I am wrong. I was just wondering what your comments were about this unusual tactic. (the site is G rated if anyone was wondering, lol)
An excellent, unorthodox, and effective way to recruit new people. We have to appeal to both emotions AND intellect.
Luis Buenaventura: Civil Disobedience? Not to be crude, but you could always expand the movement through 4chan...
I don't know what 4chan is, please explain.
Nevermind, if you want to learn about it search it-I don't want to be sucked up by it again, yet there are many so called "anarchist" on it, hence a market for libertarians to shore up. Yet, keep in mind that these are not the most intelligent set of people when, if, you enter the domain of 4chan.
Btw it is a VERY crude website- I'll just leave it at that.
continued...
Panarchy: 4. The strongest? Maybe just the masses, easiest way to target the masses is via the media. So all we need to get is publicity for the documentary, everything should fall into place after that.
Propaganda of the deed is meant for the masses. Reaching out to people one on one is meant for the most receptive of the groups. Also, ironically enough. the mainstream media will do everything in its power to deride and deligitamise the documentary. I hope that helps.
PS: The reason I had to make this a two parter is because of this weird software. It's annoying at times.
I don't know if anybody mentioned this, but the libertarian movement lacks novels to support it-symbolically that is. We need another Atlas Shrugged (though shorter would be better to meet the short timespans of most people) or The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress-something the public can get a grasp of and would be inspired by in some way.
Luis Buenaventura: Btw it is a VERY crude website- I'll just leave it at that.
Listen, we really can't be picky...we have to every resource available to us.
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