Hahahah... Aw man!
Can you sign that post?
Classic!
Evolution has taken place? More like devolution!
Tax is theft. Taking money/goods/assets from people with force or the threat of force is theft.
Jon, hate to say it, but I think he was talking about your family being your kindred.
Sorry if I'm wrong.
I can only hope that some of what I've said in my 'quoting with commentry' helps.
Panarchy
Woh woh woh, are you saying that just because you pass some arbitary test that your automatically smart?
Intelligence can't be measured by a single test.
At least not with our technology.
Unless part of the test is measuring your ability to cheat?
I think he meant LS's fellow Canadians.
-Jon
To darkness I condemn you...
^Yeah, I understand! I was merely being jocular!
Sorry about that guys. Hope you still understand the message. Obivously this forum's quoting ability is still buggy.
The quoting works fine, but you should include the content of the post you are quoting, so we dont have to go back and check each response to see what it relates to.
This software is "different". But I like it. A little.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
Sorry, my mistake.
I've got thousands of posts on other forums, guess I was to used to it automatically quoteing when I click the quote or reply button.
Anyways, back to topic!
Rubén: liberty student: Care to define that minimal role of the state that is consistent with the Obama campaign and soon-to-be Presidency? Elementary roles like health, education, defense and assurance that the population won't starve. Something similar to what is already in place in Canada or Scandinavia, which seems an ideal mix that guarantees the survival of its population while at the same time provides enough market freedom for anything else. For example, the bailout to General Motors would be preferable than just letting that company die with the dead cost of closing down hundreds of plants that were very expensive to build and would not be able to be used for other endeavors.
liberty student: Care to define that minimal role of the state that is consistent with the Obama campaign and soon-to-be Presidency?
Care to define that minimal role of the state that is consistent with the Obama campaign and soon-to-be Presidency?
Elementary roles like health, education, defense and assurance that the population won't starve. Something similar to what is already in place in Canada or Scandinavia, which seems an ideal mix that guarantees the survival of its population while at the same time provides enough market freedom for anything else.
For example, the bailout to General Motors would be preferable than just letting that company die with the dead cost of closing down hundreds of plants that were very expensive to build and would not be able to be used for other endeavors.
/facepalm
DrunknMunky:/facepalm
No doubt. And he refuses to acknowledge the costs of thousands of jobs lost to bailout a failed GM. Or that taxes are theft. Or that the government caused the crisis through the Austrian business cycle, or that democracy is mob rule or any other # of things. He's here only to promote his far left socialist ideals.
"How do we get the message across?"
Austrians need to be clear and concise. :
(1) free markets vs.interventionism
(2) individual liberty vs. interventionism
Keep these arguments separated from one another. The one is economic, the other philosophical. Clearly they overlap in countless ways, but the message will be much clearer and easier to understand by keeping these distinct.
Rubén: 1) No. Just some resources to be determined by society. 2) Food and shelter are the most necessary. But the government can help ensuring those necessities to all the population. Left to the market alone, not everyone will have food and shelter.
1) No. Just some resources to be determined by society.
2) Food and shelter are the most necessary. But the government can help ensuring those necessities to all the population. Left to the market alone, not everyone will have food and shelter.
Why does the government need to take my hard earned money and give it to the lazy? Left to the market alone, those who are indeed needy (because of some debilitating and limiting problem) would be taken care of by charity and those who are lazy would either have to go get a job or eventually (I am sorry if this sounds cruel) starve/freeze to death.
Sometimes "majority" simply means that all the fools are on the same side
Rubén:Left to the market alone, not everyone will have food and shelter.
Really? Do you have any proof to back up this "fact"?
At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.
GilesStratton:And funnily enough the only reason Scandanavia is slightly more prosperous than other areas in Europe is due a relatively unregulated market.
Scandinavia and Canada also have natural resources to finance the socialism. But even they haven't been able to come up with the health care close to the quality of that of the US (semi socialized as it is)
If I hear not allowed much oftener; said Sam, I'm going to get angry.
J.R.R.Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
Canadian health care sucks with regards to quality and service. Dying on a waiting list is totally free.
liberty student: Canadian health care sucks with regards to quality and service. Dying on a waiting list is totally free.
For all the rhetoric of Canada not having a two tier system, the system systematically serves those with connections above those with none. So, if you are in Canada, make sure you get a GP with connections if you do not want to be stuck on a waiting list. If your GP knows people you do not have to wait very long, if they are unconnected and have no prestige in the profession, well you will be stuck waiting for quite a long time, for any kind of surgery.
http://aestheticbend.blogspot.com/
liberty student:Canadian health care sucks with regards to quality and service. Dying on a waiting list is totally free.
And yet Canada serves as an example of health care for all for many people here in the US. That's just shows how ignorant many American are even to what's happening just across the border.
liberty student: DrunknMunky:/facepalm No doubt. And he refuses to acknowledge the costs of thousands of jobs lost to bailout a failed GM. Or that taxes are theft. Or that the government caused the crisis through the Austrian business cycle, or that democracy is mob rule or any other # of things. He's here only to promote his far left socialist ideals.
At this point, I can't help but to feel that he's trolling.
Steve: liberty student: DrunknMunky:/facepalm No doubt. And he refuses to acknowledge the costs of thousands of jobs lost to bailout a failed GM. Or that taxes are theft. Or that the government caused the crisis through the Austrian business cycle, or that democracy is mob rule or any other # of things. He's here only to promote his far left socialist ideals. At this point, I can't help but to feel that he's trolling.
Likewise.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
It is hopeless to try to educate some people. Some people will support statism until they starve. Personally, I only try to debate with people who are interested and open-minded.
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