if we want a stateless society, why dont a team of private investors and political refugees colonize Somalia
do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?
Stranger:But the point is that I love my country. Don't you?
I've traveled a wee bit. I like my country, but in many ways, it is inferior to others I have been to. I don't feel I particularly owe it anything in the way of allegiance or loyalty.
I could learn to love a free country, regardless of the climate or geography. Being free is more important to me than acknowledging my history and the history of my ancestors with a particular state.
@all, I second the Liberty Colony idea. It's possible that an exodus may at one point be the only option left to us. The world is certainly not getting less statist. Things are moving in the wrong direction, and while choosing to stand and fight might be honourable, it's wise to pick the battles you can win. If you can't beat the state, then change the game. Plus the entrepreneurial opportunities for a Liberty Colony could be tremendous.
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Twirlcan:Who in the re-settlement/colonization movement has actually traveled to these places themselves? Which of these places have you traveled to for scouting purposes?
The selection process for the LC is in two phases. Scouting a specific location within the chosen country occurs after the general location has been selected. I have not been to the possible countries listed. It would be not only very expensive but time wise not a realistic endeavour to try and scout every possible location before the site is selected.
baoinvestor:Human nature is not geared for freedom. We need our leaders, our hierarchies, our silly laws and restraints or else our own nature will force us into something more savage and even less free.
The one thing humans have in common is a general desire for freedom.
You are confusing the idea that a stateless society is a society without order. A stateless society can have rules and restraints and hierarchies.
John Ess: I would say a country that is 100 percent one religious belief (Sunni Islam) is pretty fanatical. And not just in the sports team type way. I don't want to live in the Vatican, either. They are irrational fanatics, too. If that is your prerogative, go right to it.
I would say a country that is 100 percent one religious belief (Sunni Islam) is pretty fanatical. And not just in the sports team type way.
I don't want to live in the Vatican, either. They are irrational fanatics, too.
If that is your prerogative, go right to it.
Following a woman who based much of her philosophy on her own personal rape fantasies any credence sounds pretty "fanatical" to me.
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Maybe that's correct. I'm not an Ayn Rand fan or objectivist.
Damn, I was kinda hoping the Ad Homs would continue John. Can't you pretend to be a Randroid? Maybe change your picture to something more Rand-ish?
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"I would rather that Russel Means succeed at secession for his Lakotaland movement (or whatever they call it). Moving to a newly independant South Dakota would be much better than moving to a place that still has polio and kidnapping is 40% of their GDP"
If they do, I nominate Roderick Long to go speak with them and try to convince them of an Austrian method - just like Mises and Otto Bauer.
"The one thing humans have in common is a general desire for freedom."
to be honest, I do not think that is the case.
there is only one solution.
move to the moon. build a catapult.
"Except everyone recognizes that the cause of the current economic crises is capitalism."
really? I thought it was interference with the market resulting in malinvestment...
"Btw. Capitalism = Fascism."
so the means of production being in privately held and property being earned and traded without coercion = private property being privately held except when a small group of people think it should be socialized and property can only be earned and traded through arbitrary, coercive regulations.
boy, I can't wait to read more of your insights at leftlibertarian.org. I'm sure I will become a much more knowledgeable individual once I shake off the chains of the capitalist mentality and...lol, I can't keep a straight face.
Maxliberty: The selection process for the LC is in two phases. Scouting a specific location within the chosen country occurs after the general location has been selected. I have not been to the possible countries listed. It would be not only very expensive but time wise not a realistic endeavour to try and scout every possible location before the site is selected.
I think I understand. But please correct me if I do not:
LC group votes on a geographical area (a country) first, then a scout travels there to get a specific spot.
Also , what languages do you all speak? Having lived in another country before I can tell you that oportunities are very limited when you do not speak the language of the area you are in.
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Twirlcan: Maxliberty: The selection process for the LC is in two phases. Scouting a specific location within the chosen country occurs after the general location has been selected. I have not been to the possible countries listed. It would be not only very expensive but time wise not a realistic endeavour to try and scout every possible location before the site is selected. I think I understand. But please correct me if I do not: LC group votes on a geographical area (a country) first, then a scout travels there to get a specific spot. Also , what languages do you all speak? Having lived in another country before I can tell you that oportunities are very limited when you do not speak the language of the area you are in.
Yes, you have it correct regarding selecting the general location and the specific area.
Of course, speaking the local language is always beneficial. I imagine most of the early settlers will not speak the local language. Local transalators will have to be used to some extent. As far as opportunities being limited due to not speaking the local language, my experience is this is true if your looking for a job but not if your the one creating the jobs. Personally, I speak English and Spanish.
Twirlcan:Also , what languages do you all speak?
I speak a little html, php, french and of course am fluent in English. I'm hoping to learn some Perl too.
liberty student: Twirlcan:Also , what languages do you all speak? I speak a little html, php, french and of course am fluent in English. I'm hoping to learn some Perl too.
Frankly, all of those languages are more useful than learning some obscure language in an underdeveloped area. Worldwide, English is the most important language to know. Everywhere you go you will find someone who speaks some english.
Maxliberty: The one thing humans have in common is a general desire for freedom.
I'm afraid that you're mistaken. Far more common than a desire for one's personal freedom is the apparently near-universal desire to restrict the neighbor's freedom. Finding another freedom-lover is a treat - people who want everyone else's freedom restricted are legion.
That's a popular theory around here, but it (unfortunately) lacks any concrete evidence supporting it. I can sympathize with the goals of the typical anarchist - but, if you get right down to it, Marx's intended goal was not bad, either. The problem is that I don't believe that either system can be workable with actual people.
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